[bots]

She had no hope of winning, so why continue.It makes sense to me.

There hasn't been an election in the last 40 years any time a PM has resigned/moved aside, so there is no need for one now. The referendum vote was on the Conservative Manifesto on taking office, so there is no reason to hold an election just because we exited the EU, in my humble opinion of course.

[Christmas Dynamo]

What a spineless lying hag she actually was


she could not even tell a shred of truth in her speech today

vile

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Me personally? I will wait here, bent over with puckered arsehole, waiting sadly but patiently to be shafted by whoever it is that happens to be doing the shafting. It's the only sensible choice. Prep the sacrotuberous ligaments, lube up and relax.

I can't get that image out of my head now. Thanks.

[arista]

[reece(:]

May's statement

I am honoured and humbled to have been chosen by the Conservative party to become its leader.

I would like to pay tribute to the other candidates during the election campaign and I would like to pay tribute to Andrea Leadsom for the dignity that she has shown today.

I would also like to pay tribute to David Cameron for the leadership that he has shown our party and our country.

During this campaign my case has been based on three things. First, the need for strong, proven leadership to steer us through what will be difficult and uncertain economic and political times, the need, of course, to negotiate the best deal for Britain in leaving the EU, and to forge a new role for ourselves in the world. Brexit means Brexit, and we are going to make a success of it.

Second, we are going to unite our country and, third, we need a strong, new positive vision for the future of our country, a vision of a country that works not for the privileged few but that works for everyone one of us. Because we are going to give people more control over their lives. And that’s how, together, we will build a better Britain.

[Braden]

Cameron stepped down and said that someone else needed to lead the country after the result of the EU referendum, and the person who we've ended up with is someone who wanted to remain

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

She had no hope of winning, so why continue.It makes sense to me.

There hasn't been an election in the last 40 years any time a PM has resigned/moved aside, so there is no need for one now. The referendum vote was on the Conservative Manifesto on taking office, so there is no reason to hold an election just because we exited the EU, in my humble opinion of course.

I get most of that however I thought it wrong that Brown stayed on after Blair and had no election until the last minute.
Mind you,he paid a big price for doing that as well as much went wrong and then voters were not impressed he didn't seek his own mandate.

Major had an election around 18 months from taking over from Thatcher.

Theresa May herself made strong criticism of Brown not going to the Country to get his own mandate, so it's rather hypocritical of her now to say she will not with much longer to run now too before the next election.

Also, we are now going to have to tear up 43 years of being connected closer to Europe,that has never been done before and calls for 'special circumstances', in my view.

The manifesto contained a pledge to hold a referendum, no more, not the actual taking us out of the EU if that was the vote result.
That is why I say there should be an election.

Just as all Parties fought the campaign, equally all parties should now have the opportunity,before anything is started,to present their plans for exit, and either have the voters increase their representation in parliament or reduce it.

The referendum was not an exercise just for the govt,all parties played their part and so,equally all parties should get the chance to play their part as to the plans for leaving, in accordance with the referendum result too.
Only a general election can give that.

Why this daft Leadsom woman ever stood in the first place is now beyond me if she was going to drop out at the first hurdle.
Thank all powers that be the UK didn't get her as a PM.

[MTVN]

It was a smart decision to avoid the Tories becoming like the Labour party where one faction wins out without the support of the majority of the parliamentary party. May was easily the best placed to lead a stable government and unite the party. I think that Gove and Boris will both be pretty angry though - Gove at being eliminated by a candidate who then drops out and Boris because I suspect he could have become the main Brexit candidate in the end but he overestimated the support Gove would get.

I still think there's not the appetite for a general election in this country really when the situation is as uncertain and precarious enough as it is already. And Labour should be very careful what they wish for - Zoe Williams on C4 news today even admitted that she wouldn't want there to be an election because the opposition is in such a shambles they would probably come out of it worse off.

[MTVN]

Also can we take a minute to appreciate this great moment

Youtube video

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It was a smart decision to avoid the Tories becoming like the Labour party where one faction wins out without the support of the majority of the parliamentary party. May was easily the best placed to lead a stable government and unite the party. I think that Gove and Boris will both be pretty angry though - Gove at being eliminated by a candidate who then drops out and Boris because I suspect he could have become the main Brexit candidate in the end but he overestimated the support Gove would get.

I still think there's not the appetite for a general election in this country really when the situation is as uncertain and precarious enough as it is already. And Labour should be very careful what they wish for - Zoe Williams on C4 news today even admitted that she wouldn't want there to be an election because the opposition is in such a shambles they would probably come out of it worse off.

I am Labour party member,I may even be a candidate one day for to be an MP.
I do not want an election because I think Labour would win, I want an election because I think it is right to have one, even if that sends the Conservatives back with a really big majority.

I feel before anything is started as to leaving the EU the voters now need to ,in the post referendum result, have their say as to who, which party/parties and what all other representation for all other parties are.

If this takes over 2 years to exit,then another 2/3 years to get all deals in place, we will be holding an election slap bang during that in 2020.

Far better now to hold an election in May next year with the local elections and then trigger off article 50,then get all done in the following 5 years with that full and new authority of a mandate.

[Nana Xmas]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Also can we take a minute to appreciate this great moment

Youtube video

Awww, was he humming to "tomorrow " ?
He has been a good PM for me, and honourable in standing down in the referendum defeat.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Awww, was he humming to "tomorrow " ?
He has been a good PM for me, and honourable in standing down in the referendum defeat.

You know what, I really think he is sad that the UK voted to leave and rejected his arguments.
However, now realising the monumental task and time consuming drudgery of dismantling everything related to the EU,I think he is glad and relieved to be handing over that chaos to someone else.

I agreed with few of his policies but I did come to respect the man,particularly his stand on the EU issue.

I really wish him all the best for the future and am really looking forward to his last PMQs on Wednesday.

[Tom4784]

It annoys me that a new election won't be called, the thought of a stand in PM being in power for almost a full term is shocking.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It annoys me that a new election won't be called, the thought of a stand in PM being in power for almost a full term is shocking.

You and me both but then Labour's not in any position to win an election right now so I'd rather weather the inevitable storm that's coming and wait until they've hopefully ****ed themselves over and the opposition have sorted themselves out

The anorak in me wants an election just because I love them but it's not a good idea cause it'll just extend her term by a year

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It annoys me that a new election won't be called, the thought of a stand in PM being in power for almost a full term is shocking.

Do not be Silly
that would become a 2nd Referendum

Which Will Not Happen
Wise Dezzy


Sign of The Times

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jack_

You and me both but then Labour's not in any position to win an election right now so I'd rather weather the inevitable storm that's coming and wait until they've hopefully ****ed themselves over and the opposition have sorted themselves out

The anorak in me wants an election just because I love them but it's not a good idea cause it'll just extend her term by a year

Which one
Real Labour

or

NewBlairLabour????

[arista]

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by arista

Which one
Real Labour

or

NewBlairLabour????

Both, the idea that a Blairite candidate could suddenly swoop in and take the leadership and then ride to electoral victory later this year after the mess they've made of the party in the last few weeks is just absurd. Especially if it's Angela bloody Eagle, as if she's anymore electable than Jeremy Corbyn

But then Jeremy's in no position to win an election right now either, the latest ICM poll puts the Tories eight points in front which would be a calamitous defeat. As I said in another thread, it is a movement and one that needs time to bed in and for policies to be developed and for messages to be created, nine months isn't nearly enough and this coup is just wasting time. Four years however is a long time in politics and if UKIP can win four million votes at a general election, and the Tories can acquire a majority government out of nowhere - then anything can happen.

Right now though? A general election would be a disaster for Labour

[arista]

[arista]

JC could Win
its all down to numbers
in the end.

If he stays Tomorrow (Up To Corrupt Lawyers)
he must start Re -Selection ( once Eagle Loses )
of the New Blair Labour Traitors.

[Cherie Christmas]

A GE now would only serve to increase UKiPs presence in the House of Commons I'm afraid. Labour need the next four years to rebuild trust in their party, as it stands they would be annihilated

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Cherie

A GE now would only serve to increase UKiPs presence in the House of Commons I'm afraid. Labour need the next four years to rebuild trust in their party, as it stands they would be annihilated

I don't mind that you see, I am a democrat and really believe the will of the people should be paramount, even though I massively disagree with the EU result and usually election results too.

However without UKIP, there would have been no referendum at all, neither major party would have ever risked one.
Now, with certain parts if leaving the EU to be debated in parliament,there will be only 1 solitary UKIP voice and indeed one vote only in parliament.
That has to be wrong to not test the water now as to who the voters want to negotiate the leaving of the EU.

Labour may well suffer,maybe not if the election was May next year, however I'd accept that to get the true mandate for this massive task.
UKIP would not really increase numbers considerably,they will need Labour down on about 26%, the Conservatives down to around 30% and themselves in the 20+%, to even get around just 15 seats.
They should however in my view be given the chance to have more than just one MP, that would be fair to allow, considering their efforts as to the EU vote.

I honestly cannot see where a general election now could cause any more chaos than is in place already, a 4 to 5 week campaign alongside the local elections in May next year, would cause little problems I would guess.
Get on with govt business now, stabilise the markets and then return to the EU issue in May next year with full and alternative plans for the UK out of the EU with the plan to trigger article 50 after that election.

What needs to be seen now by voters however, is those alternative plans for the UK out of the EU from all parties at Westminster, then the voters choose the one they prefer.
It should not be down to just this govt; and the fact it is only just over a year into govt, makes all the more reasoning for a further election.

As Jack_ says no way should a PM not expected to be there at this time, be able to govern with no new mandate of their own whatsoever other than 199 Conservative MPs only,for near a full term.
Wrong that is completely, it was with Brown and Labour and in my book two wrongs will never make a right.

[Cherie Christmas]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I don't mind that you see, I am a democrat and really believe the will of the people should be paramount, even though I massively disagree with the EU result and usually election results too.

However without UKIP, there would have been no referendum at all, neither major party would have ever risked one.
Now, with certain parts if leaving the EU to be debated in parliament,there will be only 1 solitary UKIP voice and indeed one vote only in parliament.
That has to be wrong to not test the water now as to who the voters want to negotiate the leaving of the EU.

Labour may well suffer,maybe not if the election was May next year, however I'd accept that to get the true mandate for this massive task.
UKIP would not really increase numbers considerably,they will need Labour down on about 26%, the Conservatives down to around 30% and themselves in the 20+%, to even get around just 15 seats.
They should however in my view be given the chance to have more than just one MP, that would be fair to allow, considering their efforts as to the EU vote.

I honestly cannot see where a general election now could cause any more chaos than is in place already, a 4 to 5 week campaign alongside the local elections in May next year, would cause little problems I would guess.
Get on with govt business now, stabilise the markets and then return to the EU issue in May next year with full and alternative plans for the UK out of the EU with the plan to trigger article 50 after that election.

What needs to be seen now by voters however, is those alternative plans for the UK out of the EU from all parties at Westminster, then the voters choose the one they prefer.
It should not be down to just this govt; and the fact it is only just over a year into govt, makes all the more reasoning for a further election.

As Jack_ says no way should a PM not expected to be there at this time, be able to govern with no new mandate of their own whatsoever other than 199 Conservative MPs only,for near a full term.
Wrong that is completely, it was with Brown and Labour and in my book two wrongs will never make a right.

I agree with your sentiment, but there is no viable opposition though so we would go through a GE to reinstate a Tory government, I can't see any other result, if Labour hadn't blown themselves up and got behind Corbyn and concentrated on forcing a GE instead of shameful internal squabbling then maybe the public would have more stomach for it, we can argue all we like I don't think we are going to get one, it's hypocritical on behalf of the Tories yes but that comes as no surprise

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I agree with your sentiment, but there is no viable opposition though so we would go through a GE to reinstate a Tory government, I can't see any other result, if Labour hadn't blown themselves up and got behind Corbyn and concentrated on forcing a GE instead of shameful internal squabbling then maybe the public would have more stomach for it, we can argue all we like I don't think we are going to get one, it's hypocritical on behalf of the Tories yes but that comes as no surprise

I am not so sure, even the govt at present have little idea of the plans for outside the EU.

The result of the election is not an issue for me, it is the question now of authority from the voters for who to now oversee the leaving process.

This govt only had the authority to hold a referendum, no detail was in that referendum, they have not the authority for their plans,whatever they may come to be, as to taking us out and what goes in place now.

It should come as a surprise actually, as Conservative leaders post war have all held an election within 18 months of taking over the Premiership.
Never however, in my view,has it been more important now as to an issue, to seek the publics will now as to this issue.

No matter what that decision of the voters may end up being.

[Christmas Dynamo]

I saw the labour lady on BBC news this morning

she said

"iv has success in PMQ's" ! (success??)

and

"I have spoken to many doorsteps and yada yada yada"