[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

This isnt relevant to the point anybody was making..

but since you brought it up, do you think the worst thing about ISIS is their treatment of females?

It's up there unless you consider stoning women/girls to death for alleged adultery, or any other excuse they can find, as not one of the worst.

I made the mistake of watching such a stoning on u-tube - those men are savages who abused that poor 17 year-old in more ways than one. Animals.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Withano

So?.. your problem should be with ISIS, not with religion. You should be able to separate the two things, literally everybody else can.

You kinda missed my point but ok.

Originally Posted by Adam.

The bible also tells people to kill

I wouldn't know, I haven't read it. I have a brain in my head.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

You kinda missed my point but ok.

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Your point is ridic. I didnt miss it at all. Your point is ISIS is about because of religion, therefore all religions dont have a place in the world, and that point is ridic.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Withano

Your point is ridic. I didnt miss it at all. Your point is ISIS is about because of religion, therefore all religions dont have a place in the world, and that point is ridic.

Religion shouldn't have a place anywhere imo. A glorified fairytale that has far too much power in this world.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Religion shouldn't have a place anywhere imo. A glorified fairytale that has far too much power in this world.

Its not your place to say that a stranger can not have faith in a higher being. Its frankly weird that you presumed otherwise.

[Glenn.]

It's not my fault people look to the skies for support from a make believe man

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Its not your place to say that a stranger can not have faith in a higher being. Its frankly weird that you presumed otherwise.

Some 'higher' being.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

It's not my fault people look to the skies for support from a make believe man

Its also not your place to tell these people how to live their life, but here we are.

[Glenn.]

Not your place to tell me what's my place either.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Not your place to tell me what's my place either.

"Hey, don't tell me not to dictate, its mean"

[jennyjuniper]

If you want to hear a really intelligent, sensible and logical muslim woman give her point of view, may I suggest you watch 'Raheel Raza, one law for all - islam in a secular democracy' on Youtube. This is a muslim lady who has lived in Canada for many years and she is brilliant.

[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I just think it should be seperate from state and education

Originally Posted by Glenn.

You say this but you know... ISIS

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Maybe that could work if those people believing and practicing what they want weren't going round threatening to kill all 'non-believers' and in their own country. The arrogance of such people is astounding.

Their attitude is harmful, maybe not to you as a man, but to Muslim and non-Muslim women alike. Any religion with such beliefs cannot be allowed to prosper in the West.

There is a difference between this and the constant comments here or elsewhere that puts down anyone who wants to believe in a religion.

Also, there are numerous reasons for ISIS..it isn't just as simple as "Oh. They are religious, that's why", but that's a whole other topic.

[Tozzie]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

Lol at telling anyone what they should or shouldn't believe in. Atheist shouters sound as bad as the religion nutters. Leave people to believe and practice what they want to as long as it causes you no harm.

This..............I have my belief which comforts me but a little prayer before bed is all I want to do, I don't feel the need to go to church or shout at at anyone who doesn't agree with me, my belief is my business as long as I don't harm anyone., others disbelief is their business too.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Exactly, it's so blatantly a way to have power over people and control

With regards to the BIB in the first paragraph as a woman I think that's a silly thing to say when you look at how women are treated in some religions although that probably has more to do with culture than the actual religion I think

BIB, controversially I think that religion and the country's culture kind of come hand in hand.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Because it implies that the majority of Muslims are the "stereotypical tabloid muslim" which is, simply, false. The vast majority of Muslims don't "oppress their women and girls" any more than any other group. That's pretty much standard in the definition of racism, isn't it? Believing negative stereotypes?

Secondly it all plays into the hysteria that "so many Muslims are pouring in!!!" that it's in any way likely to significantly alter the status quo of the whole country. Which is just nonsensical. Especially when - as I said - the fastest growing group is in fact the non-religious.

Thirdly, the worrying trend recently for backwards thinking, and the very real resurgence in active fascism in countries much closer to home, IS an active and ongoing threat to "our values and way of life" but no one seems to care. Too distracted by the scary brown people, I suppose.

Aren't religions which promote an idealogy from over a thousand years ago, when women were considered property all oppressive?

Is not the covering of a woman, because she will incite men to desire not a serious oppression of women?

How many female Imams are there in mainstream Islam? How many female roman catholic cardinals?

Again with the brown people. You seem to have much more of an issue with peoples colour than I do.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Not your place to tell me what's my place either.

[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Maybe that could work if those people believing and practicing what they want weren't going round threatening to kill all 'non-believers' and in their own country. The arrogance of such people is astounding.

Their attitude is harmful, maybe not to you as a man, but to Muslim and non-Muslim women alike. Any religion with such beliefs cannot be allowed to prosper in the West.

You are acting like any religious group of people go around doing this. It's not black and white or that simple.

Hell, Let's take a look at another extremist group in Hezbollah that is labelled a terrorist organisation by many of the western world, but is one of the biggest fighters against the ISIS force.

Spoiler:

Muslim fighters/extremists/terrorists/whatever freeing Christian villages and saving their places of worship and Women that aren't covered all in black waving their flag and looking....happy... what the?

[Glenn.]

I just can't comprehend someone believing in basically, a fairytale. That's what it is. Extremely exaggerated/ completely made up events with an unholy amount of power and persuasion. It's nonsensical to me.

[Tozzie]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

I just can't comprehend someone believing in basically, a fairytale. That's what it is. Extremely exaggerated/ completely made up events with an unholy amount of power and persuasion. It's nonsensical to me.

no one persuaded me to have my belief, I choose to because it helps me get through life, I'm sure you wouldn't want to take that away from me. I can never comprehend why people who don't believe get so mad and frustrated about the fact some people do believe

[Glenn.]

Because it's not real...

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Because it's not real...

Does it really bother you though if they're doing no harm?

ISIS I can understand people going ballistic about as I do with people that hated other terrorist groups motivated by Religion, but I don't get why you'd have an issue with someone believing in a higher being if it's just their own beliefs.

[Tozzie]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Because it's not real...

ok Glenn but I am still going to

[Glenn.]

Suppose not. Religion has spread lot of negative stuff into the world. Poisonous stuff in some cases. That's why it needs abolishing.

[RichardG]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

I just can't comprehend someone believing in basically, a fairytale. That's what it is. Extremely exaggerated/ completely made up events with an unholy amount of power and persuasion. It's nonsensical to me.

tbh

[Tozzie]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Suppose not. Religion has spread lot of negative stuff into the world. Poisonous stuff in some cases. That's why it needs abolishing.

but I don't spread poison or negativity, I spread nothing but love and care