[bots]

Originally Posted by ChristmasNeeve

Looks like you need a job in government BOTS with all due respect you have it totally wrong thinking the Irish government wants a United Ireland.

lol, thats just one facet, there are a load of others, and it doesn't really matter if they do or don't want it now, it has contributed to the whole shaping of the situation as we have it today. Rightly or wrongly, people are fearful of where things may go. Add the bureaucratic nightmare that is the EU with their own agenda, and even Spain, with theirs and the whole thing gets messed up even further.

Like I said earlier, Brexit, has very little to do with it in reality, it's just a focal point for "winning" a battle.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

lol, thats just one facet, there are a load of others, and it doesn't really matter if they do or don't want it now, it has contributed to the whole shaping of the situation as we have it today. Rightly or wrongly, people are fearful of where things may go. Add the bureaucratic nightmare that is the EU with their own agenda, and even Spain, with theirs and the whole thing gets messed up even further.

Like I said earlier, Brexit, has very little to do with it in reality, it's just a focal point for "winning" a battle.

I'm not going to even attempt to get into the Spain situation because I don't know enough about it all. But regarding Ireland, do you really think it has nothing to do with economics for Ireland? I mean do you think we're all that moronic over here that we aren't worried about our trade and how it will effect us? We're a little Island in the middle of an ocean cut off from the rest of the EU now since the UK has left but you think we're not worried about how that will effect us and are only thinking about some lost romantic notion of a United Ireland? Ok then.

[Christmas Dynamo]

Ireland should be united, all pulling in one direction

make Belfast the capital with the parliament etc and move forward

Call it the United Northern Ireland

[Northern Monkey]

I know it was us who decided to leave but to me the EU need to stop being so stubborn and get onto the trade part of the negotiations.It is key to the Irish border issue.Like Bots said with willingness i’m sure some sort of bespoke special arrangement could be worked out(it will have to be) but it’s probably going to be complicated and it will definitely involve trade.
Beyond all the bluster the EU and individual countries in it dont want a no deal.It will hurt everyone.If the EU hurts it’s own member states with pig headedness the anti-EU sentiment within will rise.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Isaiah 7:14

Ireland should be united, all pulling in one direction

make Belfast the capital with the parliament etc and move forward

Call it the United Northern Ireland

Cork is going for Independence anyway #thepeoplesrepublicofCork

[bots]

Originally Posted by ChristmasNeeve

I'm not going to even attempt to get into the Spain situation because I don't know enough about it all. But regarding Ireland, do you really think it has nothing to do with economics for Ireland? I mean do you think we're all that moronic over here that we aren't worried about our trade and how it will effect us? We're a little Island in the middle of an ocean cut off from the rest of the EU now since the UK has left but you think we're not worried about how that will effect us and are only thinking about some lost romantic notion of a United Ireland? Ok then.

Ireland as an independent country chose to join the EU, its choice, and its staying there, that hasn't changed. I think what you are saying is that, that decision is only viable if the UK is too, which may be true, but it shouldn't involve them forcing the UK to be part of the club against their will. People need to compromise

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Ireland as an independent country chose to join the EU, its choice, and its staying there, that hasn't changed. I think what you are saying is that, that decision is only viable if the UK is too, which may be true, but it shouldn't involve them forcing the UK to be part of the club against their will. People need to compromise

No that isn't what I'm saying at all

[bots]

Sufficient progress has been made in Brexit talks, European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker has said; paving the way for talks on the future UK-EU relationship.

Theresa May arrived in Brussels on Friday morning following overnight talks on the issue of the Irish border.

The PM said there would be no hard border and the Good Friday Agreement would be upheld.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42277040

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Sufficient progress has been made in Brexit talks, European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker has said; paving the way for talks on the future UK-EU relationship.

Theresa May arrived in Brussels on Friday morning following overnight talks on the issue of the Irish border.

The PM said there would be no hard border and the Good Friday Agreement would be upheld.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42277040

That’s good.It seems all this noise of no deal might have worked.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

The PM said there would be no hard border and the Good Friday Agreement would be upheld.

How are they going to control EU immigration if part of the UK has a soft border with an EU country? .

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

How are they going to control EU immigration if part of the UK has a soft border with an EU country? .

Exactly.Hoping they explain this throughout the day.

All those farming lorries that go between south and north will be rammed with illegals unless some kind of check can be done.
Hard border between Ireland and EU mainland?

Hard border in the Irish Sea?

Checks once already in the country?

[Cherie Christmas]

I think someone summed this up very well earlier, this is going to be a decade of turmoil with both remainers and leavers feeling betrayed and cheated

[Cherie Christmas]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Exactly.Hoping they explain this throughout the day.

All those farming lorries that go between south and north will be rammed with illegals unless some kind of check can be done.
Hard border between Ireland and EU mainland?

Hard border in the Irish Sea?

Checks once already in the country?

I know people have flagged this but (a) they have to get to Southern Ireland first and then (b) how do they get from NI to the mainland, I assume you still have to show your passport at airports and ferries?

[Nana Xmas]

Originally Posted by Candy Cane

I know people have flagged this but (a) they have to get to Southern Ireland first and then (b) how do they get from NI to the mainland, I assume you still have to show your passport at airports and ferries?

Yes, surely there is some sort of border control already in place from mainland EU to ensure no illegals get into Ireland, as there is here from other EU countries. If not, why not?

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by NanaChristmas

Yes, surely there is some sort of border control already in place from mainland EU to ensure no illegals get into Ireland, as there is here from other EU countries. If not, why not?

Of course there is

[bots]

Originally Posted by ChristmasNeeve

Of course there is

given a plate of potatoes, if they don't wolf them down, they don't get in

[Cherie Christmas]

Originally Posted by NanaChristmas

Yes, surely there is some sort of border control already in place from mainland EU to ensure no illegals get into Ireland, as there is here from other EU countries. If not, why not?

yes there is so I don't know where all these illegals are supposed to get in from, swimming the Irish Sea ...good luck with that one

[Northern Monkey]

But suppose we have a situation where the EU has let someone in and given them the right to travel but we don’t necessarily want them in GB.Once they’ve legally traveled to Ireland they can just waltz over the border into Britain unchecked.Maybe not a likely situation but a possible one.We may disagree on whether a person should be allowed in.

[Cherie Christmas]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

But suppose we have a situation where the EU has let someone in and given them the right to travel but we don’t necessarily want them in GB.Once they’ve legally traveled to Ireland they can just waltz over the border into Britain unchecked.Maybe not a likely situation but a possible one.We may disagree on whether a person should be allowed in.

I would assume there will be new rules for EU nationals at some point though so they will need some sort of visa to enter Britain

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Candy Cane

I would assume there will be new rules for EU nationals at some point though so they will need some sort of visa to enter Britain

But with no border there’ll be nobody to check the Visa.Unless the Irish border guards end up with the job of checking whether somebody is permitted to access both Ireland and N.I but that would mean rejecting people who were actually legal to enter their country.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

But suppose we have a situation where the EU has let someone in and given them the right to travel but we don’t necessarily want them in GB.Once they’ve legally traveled to Ireland they can just waltz over the border into Britain unchecked.Maybe not a likely situation but a possible one.We may disagree on whether a person should be allowed in.

This was sort of my point; that they wouldn't be illegally in the EU, I was talking mainly about the residents of other EU members states who (supposedly) want access to the UK and that Brexit was (supposedly) going to stop. They will have free movement within the EU still, therefore, they will be free to travel to and within Ireland... and if there is a soft border (by which I mean one you wouldn't even need to be smuggled over - one that you could just simply walk across, as is the case now) then they would have free access to NI too.

Originally Posted by Candy Cane

I would assume there will be new rules for EU nationals at some point though so they will need some sort of visa to enter Britain

Making getting to the mainland tricky, sure, but if they simply stayed in NI then they would still be in the UK . My guess here is that the majority of Brexit voters (i.e. the English) don't actually give a stuff if there are illegal EU migrants in NI - so long as they don't make it across the sea to the "real" UK .

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

This was sort of my point; that they wouldn't be illegally in the EU, I was talking mainly about the residents of other EU members states who (supposedly) want access to the UK and that Brexit was (supposedly) going to stop. They will have free movement within the EU still, therefore, they will be free to travel to and within Ireland... and if there is a soft border (by which I mean one you wouldn't even need to be smuggled over - one that you could just simply walk across, as is the case now) then they would have free access to NI too.



Making getting to the mainland tricky, sure, but if they simply stayed in NI then they would still be in the UK . My guess here is that the majority of Brexit voters (i.e. the English) don't actually give a stuff if there are illegal EU migrants in NI - so long as they don't make it across the sea to the "real" UK .

True but what can they do when they get there? they can't try to claim social welfare or they would be found to be illegal and they can't work legally either and they can't leave NI to get to Britain so is it really worth causing so much problems by insisting on a hard border?

[Cherie Christmas]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

This was sort of my point; that they wouldn't be illegally in the EU, I was talking mainly about the residents of other EU members states who (supposedly) want access to the UK and that Brexit was (supposedly) going to stop. They will have free movement within the EU still, therefore, they will be free to travel to and within Ireland... and if there is a soft border (by which I mean one you wouldn't even need to be smuggled over - one that you could just simply walk across, as is the case now) then they would have free access to NI too.



Making getting to the mainland tricky, sure, but if they simply stayed in NI then they would still be in the UK . My guess here is that the majority of Brexit voters (i.e. the English) don't actually give a stuff if there are illegal EU migrants in NI - so long as they don't make it across the sea to the "real" UK .

I don't think NI is attractive enough economically or weatherwise to tempt alot of illegals tbh

[Cherie Christmas]

Originally Posted by ChristmasNeeve

True but what can they do when they get there? they can't try to claim social welfare or they would be found to be illegal and they can't work legally either and they can't leave NI to get to Britain so is it really worth causing so much problems by insisting on a hard border?

I think alot of people were maybe under the assumption that you didn't have your passport checked when accessing Ireland, as you know you have it checked on the way in and the way out, once you hit London they bus you to the baggage hall, no checks

so I guess there in lies the answer, set up passport control on the UK side for those travelling from Ireland.

[arista]

Originally Posted by ChristmasNeeve

Cork is going for Independence anyway #thepeoplesrepublicofCork

how nice