[JoshBB]

They shouldn't have casted her if they were going to just evict her early on, so unfair.

It's either put her in and let her be, or don't cast in the first place.

[Stevep]

Out of interest, Jenna pulled Tila aside the other day and spoke of a old feud they once had where Tila said something about Jenna, anyone know what was said back then?

[Ashley.]

I don't want Tila back in the house just for the entertainment. To be honest, I don't think she was that entertaining, she was just a little ball of fun and her scenes made me smile last night. She looked like she was on the right path especially with all that she's been through like depression and stuff.

I'd hate it if someone brought up something I said two years ago and used it against me. Two years is a long time for people to change and she was just trying to move on.

[bananarama]

The Political correctness brigade have killed free speech in this country. Killed free expression.

It doesn't matter how bad a personal opinion may be in a genuine free speech democracy people should be allowed to express without being victimised from those who dedicate themselves to being offended in order to shut down other peoples expressions.

SUCH PEOPLE ARE TRAITORS TO FREEDOM.

We also have a terrible habit of adding the word (phobia) to people with different views and beliefs. This too is an attack on freedom of expression.

Shutting down people who have different perspectives. Like said it does not matter how awful a belief or attitude may be in a free society all citizens should be allowed to express without being bullied by the political correctness traitors of freedom

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by bananarama

The Political correctness brigade have killed free speech in this country. Killed free expression.

It doesn't matter how bad a personal opinion may be in a genuine free speech democracy people should be allowed to express without being victimised from those who dedicate themselves to being offended in order to shut down other peoples expressions.

SUCH PEOPLE ARE TRAITORS TO FREEDOM.

We also have a terrible habit of adding the word (phobia) to people with different views and beliefs. This too is an attack on freedom of expression.

Shutting down people who have different perspectives. Like said it does not matter how awful a belief or attitude may be in a free society all citizens should be allowed to express without being bullied by the political correctness traitors of freedom

It's the way Channel 5 said "Tila expressed opinions that are deemed unacceptable"

I know what she said was bad, but since when did "unacceptable opinions" exist? It made me so angry.

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by bananarama

The Political correctness brigade have killed free speech in this country. Killed free expression.

It doesn't matter how bad a personal opinion may be in a genuine free speech democracy people should be allowed to express without being victimised from those who dedicate themselves to being offended in order to shut down other peoples expressions.

SUCH PEOPLE ARE TRAITORS TO FREEDOM.

We also have a terrible habit of adding the word (phobia) to people with different views and beliefs. This too is an attack on freedom of expression.

Shutting down people who have different perspectives. Like said it does not matter how awful a belief or attitude may be in a free society all citizens should be allowed to express without being bullied by the political correctness traitors of freedom

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

It's the way Channel 5 said "Tila expressed opinions that are deemed unacceptable"

I know what she said was bad, but since when did "unacceptable opinions" exist? It made me so angry.

Some opinions are unacceptable though

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

It's the way Channel 5 said "Tila expressed opinions that are deemed unacceptable"

I know what she said was bad, but since when did "unacceptable opinions" exist? It made me so angry.

Yeah everyone is entitled to an opinion tbh bad or good still allowed to have one.

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Some opinions are unacceptable though

There's no such thing as a wrong opinion. Big Brother is a place where people can change society's beliefs on certain people, but the irony in Tila's ejection is that they removed her because she said something that society didn't like.

[Liam-]

Everyone is entitled to an opinion yes, but that doesn't mean that every opinion is right or should be deemed as 'acceptable' there are some people out there that think it's right to kill people, is that an acceptable opinion? no, not every opinion in the world is acceptable.

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by bananarama

The Political correctness brigade have killed free speech in this country. Killed free expression.

It doesn't matter how bad a personal opinion may be in a genuine free speech democracy people should be allowed to express without being victimised from those who dedicate themselves to being offended in order to shut down other peoples expressions.

SUCH PEOPLE ARE TRAITORS TO FREEDOM.

We also have a terrible habit of adding the word (phobia) to people with different views and beliefs. This too is an attack on freedom of expression.

Shutting down people who have different perspectives. Like said it does not matter how awful a belief or attitude may be in a free society all citizens should be allowed to express without being bullied by the political correctness traitors of freedom

Well said.

A free society can be summed up by this quote:

"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."

Voltaire

[Slevin]

over sensitive BBUK. not surprised at this bs.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Some opinions are unacceptable though

No opinions are unacceptable under Freedom of Speech though. It's an all or nothing kind of deal. You can't dip your toes into it and get out whenever you get offended. Restricted freedom of speech isn't freedom of speech at all.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Everyone is entitled to an opinion yes, but that doesn't mean that every opinion is right or should be deemed as 'acceptable' there are some people out there that think it's right to kill people, is that an acceptable opinion? no, not every opinion in the world is acceptable.

They can think what they want, words do not equal actions.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

No opinions are unacceptable under Freedom of Speech though. It's an all or nothing kind of deal. You can't dip your toes into it and get out whenever you get offended. Restricted freedom of speech isn't freedom of speech at all.

They most certainly are unacceptable if they are vocalised and associated with racial hate in this country. Try saying something unacceptable in a public place and see what happens if you don't believe me.

[Liam-]

Everyone is entitled to an opinion absolutely, but there are some opinions that shouldn't be aired or made public I'm sorry but they just shouldn't, if you want to think things that aren't right, think them, don't make them public knowledge, if someone came out and said 'oh I think sleeping with children is perfectly fine' that would be seen as unacceptable, an opinion, but an unacceptable one.

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Everyone is entitled to an opinion absolutely, but there are some opinions that shouldn't be aired or made public I'm sorry but they just shouldn't, if you want to think things that aren't right, think them, don't make them public knowledge, if someone came out and said 'oh I think sleeping with children is perfectly fine' that would be seen as unacceptable, an opinion, but an unacceptable one.

I don't think that's unacceptable. I mean, I don't agree with it, but whatever, it doesn't bother me in the slightest if someone was to say that.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

I don't think that's unacceptable. I mean, I don't agree with it, but whatever, it doesn't bother me in the slightest if someone was to say that.

You wouldn't think someone saying that would be unacceptable?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Everyone is entitled to an opinion absolutely, but there are some opinions that shouldn't be aired or made public I'm sorry but they just shouldn't, if you want to think things that aren't right, think them, don't make them public knowledge, if someone came out and said 'oh I think sleeping with children is perfectly fine' that would be seen as unacceptable, an opinion, but an unacceptable one.

Making extreme examples doesn't make your points any more impactful. I'm gonna mangle it but there's a famous quote about Freedom of speech 'Freedom of Speech is the right to tell someone what they don't want to hear.' Sure it may offend you, it may be wrong but it's their opinion and they have a right to it and broadcast it if they choose.

The problem is you want to have your cake and eat it. You're all for Freedom of Speech unless it's offensive which means you're actually against Freedom of Speech because the notion of it offends you.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

They most certainly are unacceptable if they are vocalised and associated with racial hate in this country. Try saying something unacceptable in a public place and see what happens if you don't believe me.

There's a difference between inciting hatred and having hateful views. someone could come out and say that they are a racist and nothing would happen to them in the eyes of the law for saying, they'd rightfully face judgement from the public for it but nobody could do anything about it unless they took it a step farther and incited hatred or comitted a racially motivated crime.

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Making extreme examples doesn't make your points any more impactful. I'm gonna mangle it but there's a famous quote about Freedom of speech 'Freedom of Speech is the right to tell someone what they don't want to hear.' Sure it may offend you, it may be wrong but it's their opinion and they have a right to it and broadcast it if they choose.

The problem is you want to have your cake and eat it. You're all for Freedom of Speech unless it's offensive which means you're actually against Freedom of Speech because the notion of it offends you.

So true, so logical. So many people need that reminder of what freedom of speech actually means - warts and all. Otherwise (ironically) you end up with a society like Nazi Germany where freedom of expression was shut down.

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

You wouldn't think someone saying that would be unacceptable?

I don't really care too much for other people's opinions tbh. I'll listen to them and I'll choose whether I agree or disagree with them, then I'll leave them to it, because at the end of the day you're never going to meet someone with the exact same opinions as you.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Making extreme examples doesn't make your points any more impactful. I'm gonna mangle it but there's a famous quote about Freedom of speech 'Freedom of Speech is the right to tell someone what they don't want to hear.' Sure it may offend you, it may be wrong but it's their opinion and they have a right to it and broadcast it if they choose.

The problem is you want to have your cake and eat it. You're all for Freedom of Speech unless it's offensive which means you're actually against Freedom of Speech because the notion of it offends you.

I'd appreciate you not telling me what I stand for tyvm, I've never really been a fan of censorship, unless it is used to protect people from having to see extreme opinions like the ones I've been mentioning, imo there is no place in society for those types opinions, or people who hold them, I'm all for free speech, but when it comes to the point of someone abusing that right to be offensive or controversial, that's where I draw the line, there is no room for people who sympathise with Hitler or any other extreme beliefs like that, like I said, if you want to have an opinion that goes against normal social conventions, feel free, knock yourself out, but don't shove them down people's throats, all it does is cause trouble and bad feelings.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

There's a difference between inciting hatred and having hateful views. someone could come out and say that they are a racist and nothing would happen to them in the eyes of the law for saying, they'd rightfully face judgement from the public for it but nobody could do anything about it unless they took it a step farther and incited hatred or comitted a racially motivated crime.

That is correct, and some of the statements that Tila made on FB would have landed her in hot water had she said them here.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I'd appreciate you not telling me what I stand for tyvm, I've never really been a fan of censorship, unless it is used to protect people from having to see extreme opinions like the ones I've been mentioning, imo there is no place in society for those types opinions, or people who hold them, I'm all for free speech, but when it comes to the point of someone abusing that right to be offensive or controversial, that's where I draw the line, there is no room for people who sympathise with Hitler or any other extreme beliefs like that, like I said, if you want to have an opinion that goes against normal social conventions, feel free, knock yourself out, but don't shove them down people's throats, all it does is cause trouble and bad feelings.

Then you are for censorship and against Free Speech, this is a black and white issue. You're either for it or against it. There is no grey area. It's all or nothing.