[Frostie!]

Originally Posted by MrWong

Has a HM ever threatened to hit security before?

Leo Sayer shoved security guards when he broke out of the house in CBB5. It was quite hilarious to be fair since he was like half the size.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by Garfie

No. Not true.

Plenty of people with worse experiences aren't like that. Life happens to you, but you choose, as a grown adult, how you respond. People who always blame someone else for their shortcomings have not learned to take responsibility for their own actions.

We all have choice.

I totally disagree with this generalisation.....there are many factors growing up and many influences and they all impact on how someone turns out...they all felt threatened last night and they all reacted in very extreme ways.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

Leo Sayer shoved security guards when he broke out of the house in CBB5. It was quite hilarious to be fair since he was like half the size.

Russel Brand's piss take on BBBM was also really funny.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

To be honest I don't think Marco was Going To do anything. But he has a Very nasty temper and should be careful in there.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by hot2go

I totally disagree with this generalisation.....there are many factors growing up and many influences and they all impact on how someone turns out...they all felt threatened last night and they all reacted in very extreme ways.

Yes, they do all impact, without doubt, and we do react to them. However, we all have a choice on how we respond to them once we reach adulthood; we can either use them as an excuse to hit out at the world, and be a negative person who does negative things, or we can choose to deal with them and make ourselves and our lives better because of them.

Despite being more privileged than the majority of people, he has chosen to behave in an aggressive, vile, immature and repulsive way, rather than feeling grateful and making the most of the opportunities he has had. By his own admission, he has wasted more money on on drugs, prostitutes and alcohol than the majority of people spend on a house!

At what age should people start to take responsibility for their own actions?The arguments of some people seem to be excusing him as if he is a child. If you follow the argument that adults can excuse their actions because they've had a bad childhood, or had something bad happen to them, then you could probably say that most of the prison population should be released (check statistics if you need to).

I agree that they all felt threatened, but probably one of those who displayed the most threatening behaviour, both verbally and physically, was Marco ironically! He was much more threatening than threatened!

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Drew.

I have respect for anyone who comes through a hard childhood and makes something of themselves. If what you're saying is true about his past then he clearly hasn't.. he seems happy with the lifestyle he's chosen and who he's become. He's just a spoilt immature sleaze

Exactly! What is this need to excuse the inexcusable?

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by hot2go

I totally disagree with this generalisation.....there are many factors growing up and many influences and they all impact on how someone turns out...they all felt threatened last night and they all reacted in very extreme ways.

And where is the generalisation?

[MarcusMel]

Originally Posted by Garfie

No. Not true.

Plenty of people with worse experiences aren't like that. Life happens to you, but you choose, as a grown adult, how you respond. People who always blame someone else for their shortcomings have not learned to take responsibility for their own actions.

We all have choice.

Interesting quote by Victor Frankl who survived WWII death camps. It goes 'in any situation the last of human freedoms is that we can choose our attitudes'.

I think it is hard to 'choose an attitude' but hope that most follow the attitude of if I don't want it done to me, I should not do it to others unless they have freely given their permission. So many dont think this sadly

[Speedster]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

So you're just ignoring the fact that he threatened security with violence and generally showed off the fact that he is a spoilt **** through and through?

This.

[hot2go]

Garfie....didn't quote full message cause it's a biggy....only reason....I agree with you that it's better to find positives out of trauma but I don't think " Life happens but you choose how you respond " ....thats was I see as a generalisation ....I honestly don't think some people can help how they respond and only with maturity and with professional help does that happen ....a lot of people find a way out of their demons but not so often by the age of 20....the same experience can happen to two people but they each have they own personality strengths and weaknesses and they each have different backgrounds and influences...what one person can deal with and move on from another cant and vice versa.....some people moved on from the Tsunami and felt they had been lucky...others needed years of help and still have nightmares.....I don't think its as simple as choice but for some it can be.

[Withasnow]

How much are the others being payed to be there? Not more than his shoes.

[hot2go]

I don't look at his bahaviour and see spoilt, I see insecure.....I see the same in Natalie too.

[Speedster]

Originally Posted by alex_front2

I just don't know what a woman almost old enough to be his mother would interested unless she's playing the golddiger long game ie banking on Marco Senior leaving his wealth his fortune and restaurant business to his sons which he has stated he will not be doing.

She's 35. She's probably got a career by now so she doesn't need money. Why are women always "Gold diggers" no-one says anything about men just wanting women for sex-Anna Nicole Smith marrying a 90 odd year old rich guy fgs!! he wanted her for SEX but that's ok, he's male so he's innocent of taking advantage of people.

And if MPW gets his hands on his dad's money, it sounds like it'll last half an hour with his son. I'm pretty sure knows what an idiot he is with money; he's in debt afterall.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by MarcusMel

Interesting quote by Victor Frankl who survived WWII death camps. It goes 'in any situation the last of human freedoms is that we can choose our attitudes'.

I think it is hard to 'choose an attitude' but hope that most follow the attitude of if I don't want it done to me, I should not do it to others unless they have freely given their permission. So many dont think this sadly

: Great quote, and it really puts this into perspective. I feel quite humbled by that. Thank you, MarcusMe.

We aren't defined by events, but we can choose to either become a 'victim' because of them, or a survivor despite them. It was probably his thinking that helped Frankl to find the strength to survive, rather than becoming a victim.

You're right, it is hard to choose an attitude, but to me (and I think probably to you) it's about either being controlled by life or taking control of it. It's about digging deep to find the strength to overcome difficulties, rather than thinking they make it acceptable to have no morals and to play the victim.

Thank you for sharing this quote- it is one I will remember and use.

[camertone]

is he the one with ugly tattoos on his face?

[arista]

Originally Posted by camertone

is he the one with ugly tattoos on his face?

Yes

[arista]

Terrible Temper

[Clootie Dumpling]

It annoys me when people plead the 'affluenza' defence on his behalf.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Originally Posted by arista

Terrible Temper

He reminds me of my nephew a bit. Says terrible things when he's angry, but when he calms down he's fine

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by hot2go

Garfie....didn't quote full message cause it's a biggy....only reason....I agree with you that it's better to find positives out of trauma but I don't think " Life happens but you choose how you respond " ....thats was I see as a generalisation ....I honestly don't think some people can help how they respond and only with maturity and with professional help does that happen ....a lot of people find a way out of their demons but not so often by the age of 20....the same experience can happen to two people but they each have they own personality strengths and weaknesses and they each have different backgrounds and influences...what one person can deal with and move on from another cant and vice versa.....some people moved on from the Tsunami and felt they had been lucky...others needed years of help and still have nightmares.....I don't think its as simple as choice but for some it can be.

Thanks for this, Hot2go.

I totally agree with so much of what you have said here- you are right that only with maturity and professional help do many people escape their demons, and I think some people never do and, sadly, can be affected for a life time. You're also right when you say that two people can have the same experience but their own personality strengths and weaknesses, and their influences, affect how easy or hard it is for them to deal with them and move on. I absolutely empathise in these situations.

I think the point I was trying to get across (and it might be I didn't do this clearly) is regarding the difference between effect and response-, and between understanding someone's behaviour and excusing it.

Therefore, (and this might be where we differ) although I agree you can't choose how experiences affect you, I believe you do make decisions about the actions you take as a result. That is something I still stand by. It is (in my view) never right to direct it out at others, and I believe that, at Marco's age, you do know what is morally right or wrong; at 20 I also believe you are old enough to take responsibility for your actions, even if you are affected by bad experiences.

I'm exhausted by all this now, and all because of Marco!!

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Originally Posted by hot2go

Just watched last nights show....seems a lot of fabricating of the truth on here regarding Marco and the threatening of the security guards....he simply twice repeated the words "don't touch me "...unless there are some clips not shown on last nights episode that other people are watching then I don't get it....how is that threatening the guards and worthy of being evicted ? Isn't that the exact words Huey said to Natalie in the same show ?

He was just angry. I doubt he was going to touch anyone. He has been fine until now. Except yesterday,
When he lost his temper.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by hot2go

Just watched last nights show....seems a lot of fabricating of the truth on here regarding Marco and the threatening of the security guards....he simply twice repeated the words "don't touch me "...unless there are some clips not shown on last nights episode that other people are watching then I don't get it....how is that threatening the guards and worthy of being evicted ? Isn't that the exact words Huey said to Natalie in the same show ?

He said it as he and Chelsea were walking to the door. It was directed at BB. I can't remember the exact words but it was something about them leaving and if any security guards tried to stop them he would physically harm them.

[Gusto Brunt]

Where's the father in all this?

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt

Where's the father in all this?

I don't think he was there for him when he needed him. Unfortunately he has been brought up by his mum, who was very volatile and you can tell it has screwed him up

[Frostie!]

I'd find it impossible to bond in any way with someone like Marco. No appreciation for anything he has and completely ignorant to the real world.

The way he and Chelsea go on honestly infuriates me, pair of shallow pricks.