[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Again you seem to be implying a stigmatisation of mental health disorders. There's nothing wrong with being crazy

Exactly
Plus in 2022 ,with more mental health awareness ..you would think we were past the whole stigmatising. But sadly I guess not .

People suffer with depression , anxiety etc it's nothing to be ashamed of. And people shouldn't feel bad to ask for help .

[Redway]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Exactly
Plus in 2022 ,with more mental health awareness ..you would think we were past the whole stigmatising. But sadly I guess not .

People suffer with depression , anxiety etc it's nothing to be ashamed of. And people shouldn't feel bad to ask for help .

I think Oliver calling transgendered people mentally ill is more offensive than anything I’m saying. You’d think in 2022 we’d be past transphobia disguised as science.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Redway

I think Oliver calling transgendered people mentally ill is more offensive than anything I’m saying. You’d think in 2022 we’d be past transphobia disguised as science.

I can't speak for Oliver,but I don't think anything he said was 'transphobic', as I keep saying technically 'gender dysphoria ' is a medical condition which doctors diagnose ,are you going to fight doctors on this ?? .

And it's a fact that some of these young children / teens are suffering with other conditions like autism , depression and so on

[Redway]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I can't speak for Oliver,but I don't think anything he said was 'transphobic', as I keep saying technically 'gender dysphoria ' is a medical condition which doctors diagnose ,are you going to fight doctors on this ?? .

And it's a fact that some of these young children / teens are suffering with other conditions like autism , depression and so on

It’s gone a bit beyond the topic of kids now. It’s about Oliver writing-off all forms of transsexualism as a mental disorder, which I can’t agree with.

Gender dysphoria’s only diagnosed when the trans. person experiences ‘clinically-significant’ distress over the lack of congruence between their personal sense of gender-identity and physiological sex (especially if they’re self-harming). It’s not actually a synonym for transsexualism, nor does every trans. person experience it.

I’m not arguing with the doctors on that.

[Redway]

I know gender-dysphoria was the premise of Ollie’s argument right through the thread but it’s not actually a sound or very solid premise. I just figured I’d argue around that in other ways to avoid having to state the blatantly-obvious. Comparing it to an eating disorder is like comparing a model who vibes with keto and avocado four weekdays a week to someone being tube-fed because of anorexia nervosa so-severe. They’re not nearly the same thing in either case.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Redway

Also, which medical model are you using for claiming that transsexualism is officially a mental disorder? It certainly isn’t the latest version of the ICD.

I don't trust the motives behind declassifying it as a mental disorder tbh.

In what world is it not a mental disorder, when every other discordance between mind and body is?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Redway

It’s gone a bit beyond the topic of kids now. It’s about Oliver writing-off all forms of transsexualism as a mental disorder, which I can’t agree with.

Gender dysphoria’s only diagnosed when the trans. person experiences ‘clinically-significant’ distress over the lack of congruence between their personal sense of gender-identity and physiological sex (especially if they’re self-harming). It’s not actually a synonym for transsexualism, nor does every trans. person experience it.

I’m not arguing with the doctors on that.

If someone wants to "transition" and doesn't have gender dysphoria, I'd quietly suggest they might have serious issues.
Such as being the victim of childhood abuse:

Seventy-three percent of TGAs reported psychological abuse, 39% reported physical abuse, and 19% reported sexual abuse.
https://publications.aap.org/pediatr...0-000000000000

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I don't trust the motives behind declassifying it as a mental disorder tbh.

In what world is it not a mental disorder, when every other discordance between mind and body is?

Certified shrink, are you?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Redway

Certified shrink, are you?

One doesn't need to be. Someone whose mind is telling them they're something they're not (be it overweight when they're thin, or a woman when they're male) isn't a mind which is sound.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

President Joe Biden has said it is wrong to block children’s access to sex change
surgeries or puberty blockers.

Mr Biden, who hosted a popular trans TikToker at the White House last week,
said he believed it was both a moral and legal issue as he spoke to a panel of
activists for the NowThis News presidential forum.

When asked if red states should have the right to pass laws limiting access to
gender reassignment treatments, Mr Biden said in comments published on
Sunday: “I don’t think any state or anybody should have the right to do that.


“As a moral question and as a legal question, I just think it’s wrong,” the
president added.

He will burn in hell for those comments.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

One doesn't need to be. Someone whose mind is telling them they're something they're not (be it overweight when they're thin, or a woman when they're male) isn't a mind which is sound.

Have you not been reading/paying attention to a single word of mine?

[Beso]

What is an unsound mind, is someone who thinks inverting their penis so they can hurl a glass dildo into it on a daily basis to keep it from closing, suddenly makes them a woman.

[Zizu]

It’s a crazy , crazy time .

In May 2021, Demi came out as non-binary and started using they/them pronouns. "Over the past year, I've been doing some healing and self-reflective work and, through this work, I've had the revelation that I identify as non-binary. With that said, I'll officially be changing my pronouns to they/them," Demi explained in an Instagram video.

"I feel that this best represents the fluidity that I feel in my gender expression and allows me to feel most authentic and true to the person I both know I am and still am discovering."

Today , Demi updated the pronouns on their Instagram to let fans know that they now use they/them/she/her pronouns. However, the 'Substance' singer didn't go into any detail about the change other than ..

Demi opened up about her decision to use both they/them and she/her pronouns. "For me I’m such a fluid person… I felt like especially last year, my energy was balanced in my masculine & feminine energy," Demi explained.

"When I was faced with the choice of walking into a bathroom and it said ‘women’ and ‘men,’ I didn’t feel like there was a bathroom for me. I didn’t feel necessarily like a woman. I didn’t feel like a man. I just felt like a human. And that’s what they/them is about for me. It’s just about feeling human at your core."

Demi continued: "Recently, I’ve been feeling more feminine and so I’ve adopted she/her again."


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[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Zizu

It’s a crazy , crazy time .

In May 2021, Demi came out as non-binary and started using they/them pronouns. "Over the past year, I've been doing some healing and self-reflective work and, through this work, I've had the revelation that I identify as non-binary. With that said, I'll officially be changing my pronouns to they/them," Demi explained in an Instagram video.

"I feel that this best represents the fluidity that I feel in my gender expression and allows me to feel most authentic and true to the person I both know I am and still am discovering."

Today , Demi updated the pronouns on their Instagram to let fans know that they now use they/them/she/her pronouns. However, the 'Substance' singer didn't go into any detail about the change other than ..

Demi opened up about her decision to use both they/them and she/her pronouns. "For me I’m such a fluid person… I felt like especially last year, my energy was balanced in my masculine & feminine energy," Demi explained.

"When I was faced with the choice of walking into a bathroom and it said ‘women’ and ‘men,’ I didn’t feel like there was a bathroom for me. I didn’t feel necessarily like a woman. I didn’t feel like a man. I just felt like a human. And that’s what they/them is about for me. It’s just about feeling human at your core."

Demi continued: "Recently, I’ve been feeling more feminine and so I’ve adopted she/her again."


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f me. Id imagine pink and or blue hair

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Zizu

It’s a crazy , crazy time .

In May 2021, Demi came out as non-binary and started using they/them pronouns. "Over the past year, I've been doing some healing and self-reflective work and, through this work, I've had the revelation that I identify as non-binary. With that said, I'll officially be changing my pronouns to they/them," Demi explained in an Instagram video.

"I feel that this best represents the fluidity that I feel in my gender expression and allows me to feel most authentic and true to the person I both know I am and still am discovering."

Today , Demi updated the pronouns on their Instagram to let fans know that they now use they/them/she/her pronouns. However, the 'Substance' singer didn't go into any detail about the change other than ..

Demi opened up about her decision to use both they/them and she/her pronouns. "For me I’m such a fluid person… I felt like especially last year, my energy was balanced in my masculine & feminine energy," Demi explained.

"When I was faced with the choice of walking into a bathroom and it said ‘women’ and ‘men,’ I didn’t feel like there was a bathroom for me. I didn’t feel necessarily like a woman. I didn’t feel like a man. I just felt like a human. And that’s what they/them is about for me. It’s just about feeling human at your core."

Demi continued: "Recently, I’ve been feeling more feminine and so I’ve adopted she/her again."


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Demi Lovato is using she/her pronouns when identifying as Non-Binary.

Admittedly Demi's lost me on that.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Redway

Have you not been reading/paying attention to a single word of mine?

You told me what year it is, called me names, and said "no it isn't." What did I miss?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

You told me what year it is, called me names, and said "no it isn't." What did I miss?

nothing

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Demi Lovato is using she/her pronouns when identifying as Non-Binary.

Admittedly Demi's lost me on that.

I don't have much time for Demi ,she was clinging onto the whole 'non binary' thing as a trend. And surprise surprise now gone back to "she her" pronouns .

She also thought by cutting her hair ,it was something revolutionary . When plenty of women have short hair. And how she doesn't feel like wearing makeup on some days etc . I don't understand how that makes someone non binary ...but ok .

Plenty of women aren't always ultra feminine all the time .

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Demi Lovato is using she/her pronouns when identifying as Non-Binary.

Admittedly Demi's lost me on that.

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I don't have much time for Demi ,she was clinging onto the whole 'non binary' thing as a trend. And surprise surprise now gone back to "she her" pronouns .

She also thought by cutting her hair ,it was something revolutionary . When plenty of women have short hair. And how she doesn't feel like wearing makeup on some days etc . I don't understand how that makes someone non binary ...but ok .

Plenty of women aren't always ultra feminine all the time .

She's sadly most likely fromthe section of the "gender diverse community" who faced sexual abuse in her formative years, having been a Disney Star...

She's talked about depression and overcoming suicidal ideation before too, so at the very least (and hopefully exclusively) she has that co-morditity...

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

She's sadly most likely fromthe section of the "gender diverse community" who faced sexual abuse in her formative years, having been a Disney Star...

She's talked about depression and overcoming suicidal ideation before too, so at the very least (and hopefully exclusively) she has that co-morditity...

Was Demi abused ? .. that's sad if so . I could tell there's psychological issues ,I hope she finds some type of healing.

She was also reaching out to the wrong people aswell , I forgot his name but there was a guy who was encouraging her ..and I'm sure I heard he's a predator .


Also I think alot of these non binary people back in the 90s & early 00s would have just identified as 'goth' or 'emo', I saw a comment where a goth guy said he got confused for being in the same umbrella ,but he's just goth . I think alot of the 'non binary' community just like feeling special with this new label. Obviously I know this doesn't apply to all of them.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Was Demi abused ? .. that's sad if so . I could tell there's psychological issues ,I hope she finds some type of healing.

She was also reaching out to the wrong people aswell , I forgot his name but there was a guy who was encouraging her ..and I'm sure I heard he's a predator .


Also I think alot of these non binary people back in the 90s & early 00s would have just identified as 'goth' or 'emo', I saw a comment where a goth guy said he got confused for being in the same umbrella ,but he's just goth . I think alot of the 'non binary' community just like feeling special with this new label. Obviously I know this doesn't apply to all of them.

The article I read kinda suggested she was in some kind of relationship with Miley Cyrus’s sister .. Miley is also non binary

Must be something in the water


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[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Was Demi abused ? .. that's sad if so . I could tell there's psychological issues ,I hope she finds some type of healing.

I don't know for sure, but young girl in Hollywood, in Disney? Who then went on to present several signs of mental ill health? All I'm gonna say is I wouldn't be surprised, but I hope not.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I don't know for sure, but young girl in Hollywood, in Disney? Who then went on to present several signs of mental ill health? All I'm gonna say is I wouldn't be surprised, but I hope not.

She was warning about the problems and the pitfalls of being a child star …


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[Redway]

https://youtu.be/OdtlBnYGM9E

Anyway, the fact is that transsexualism is no-longer classified as a mental disorder. Whatever your personal opinions are behind how-linked it is with gender-dysphoria and whether or not it should still be classed as a disorder are your messed-up opinions, not facts.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Redway

https://youtu.be/OdtlBnYGM9E

Anyway, the fact is that transsexualism is no-longer classified as a mental disorder. Whatever your personal opinions are behind how-linked it is with gender-dysphoria and whether or not it should still be classed as a disorder are your messed-up opinions, not facts.

Why are you saying this like it's a cemented FACT , as we were saying alot of these youngsters are still developing physically and emotionally . Their brains are still developing for goodness sake .

Plus gender dysphoria is linked with depression , and other conditions. And as i already said some of these teens are likely autistic or have other conditions .

And how can you deny that someone growing up feeling extremely unhappy in their skin & body , and feeling like another gender is not linked with some form of psychological situation?.

As i keep saying we need to stop stigmatising mental health .