[Zizu]

Has anyone ever done what Trump did ?

After being found guilty of all charges he just stands up and claims that the whole process is a nonsense or a sham !!

Isn’t that contempt of court or something ?!?


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[Zizu]

Someone said on Sky that he won’t be jailed and when he’s president he will make all these charges go away !?!?!


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[The Slim Reaper]

One potential hiccup, is that now he's actually a convicted criminal, there are states that have laws against running for office as a cc, and it's not just a hypothetical anymore.

I'm 60/40 his supreme court will move those laws out of the way, but it's definitely something to keep an eye on.

[Gusto Brunt]

Originally Posted by Livia

I agree with Gusto. Wouldn't want to be any of those prosecutors when he's voted back in.

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Someone said on Sky that he won’t be jailed and when he’s president he will make all these charges go away !?!?!

It's like 80% of the reason he's in politics at all and always has been. Trump will avoid jail and other meaningful consequences until the day he dies - if he hadn't entered politics and had remained just in private enterprise, his situation would be entirely different.

[Oliver_W]

Does what he did usually carry a custodial sentence?

I'm not saying that paying a hooker to keep her trap shut using money which wasn't his own and then covering it up isn't serious, but it hardly makes him a danger to the public.

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Does what he did usually carry a custodial sentence?

I'm not saying that paying a hooker to keep her trap shut using money which wasn't his own and then covering it up isn't serious, but it hardly makes him a danger to the public.

The hush money charges specifically possibly not. Tax evasion and fraud however, can come with hefty custodial sentences in the US.

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[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Does what he did usually carry a custodial sentence?

I'm not saying that paying a hooker to keep her trap shut using money which wasn't his own and then covering it up isn't serious, but it hardly makes him a danger to the public.

It was done to hide her from the electorate which is federal election interference, and that does carry a custodial sentence. The lawyer that helped him commit the crime served 3 months in prison for the same offence.

[bots]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

It was done to hide her from the electorate which is federal election interference, and that does carry a custodial sentence. The lawyer that helped him commit the crime served 3 months in prison for the same offence.

and he pleaded guilty, so would get off lighter. Also, Cohen didn't threaten everyone associated with the case, including the judge who decides his sentence and his daughter

I've seen some opinions, that he has to stick him in prison, or he highlights that any president can do the same again in the future and expect no consequences. He is basically reinforcing trumps claim to immunity.

So he may get sentenced to a year.

Others are saying that he has lost the plot so much, that the best thing they can do is put him in front of the public as much as they can so he hangs himself with his words.

The simple answer is that they just don't know what to do for the best.

Oh, the other side is that trumps team will immediately put in an appeal so that any prison term would be kicked way into the future, but if trump says something stupid while he is out, he could be recalled immediately to prison pending appeal

It's a crazy time

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

and he pleaded guilty, so would get off lighter. Also, Cohen didn't threaten everyone associated with the case, including the judge who decides his sentence and his daughter

I've seen some opinions, that he has to stick him in prison, or he highlights that any president can do the same again in the future and expect no consequences. He is basically reinforcing trumps claim to immunity.

So he may get sentenced to a year.

Others are saying that he has lost the plot so much, that the best thing they can do is put him in front of the public as much as they can so he hangs himself with his words.

The simple answer is that they just don't know what to do for the best

The other side of that coin, is that Trumps mouth, with the gloves off and nothing to lose in a prison, would be potentially dangerous for the leaking of further classified information. He'd have to almost be in solitary confinement, and even as much as I don't like Trump, that's not how humans have evolved to live and would actually be cruel. Although it is often used as a way to protect prisoners, so I suppose the argument could be that it was being done to protect the secrets of the US.

[bots]

my opinion is that everyone in america is well aware of what type of person Trump is. If they go ahead and choose him as president, then they knew exactly what they were doing. The situation is nothing like it was in 2016 when he was a controversial celebrity

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

The other side of that coin, is that Trumps mouth, with the gloves off and nothing to lose in a prison, would be potentially dangerous for the leaking of further classified information. He'd have to almost be in solitary confinement, and even as much as I don't like Trump, that's not how humans have evolved to live and would actually be cruel. Although it is often used as a way to protect prisoners, so I suppose the argument could be that it was being done to protect the secrets of the US.

In theory, they could have a special little unit full of people with classified information and state secrets, and they can all spill them to each other but none of them ever get to speak to anyone outside the unit again. imagine being a fly on the wall in there...

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

my opinion is that everyone in america is well aware of what type of person Trump is. If they go ahead and choose him as president, then they knew exactly what they were doing. The situation is nothing like it was in 2016 when he was a controversial celebrity

Never give people too much credit.

[Quantum Boy]

The more realistic solution IMO if he did get a custodial sentence (that was likely to be life-long) would be just to let him do it in the comfort of one of his many homes, probs one with a little golf course, and tell him that he can chill out, watch telly and play golf with his mouth shut or go to prison.

He'll probably try to spill some secrets on his death bed anyway but TBH he's an unreliable witness so . The people who want to believe him will believe him, everyone else will take anything he has to say with a pinch of salt. Even if there's evidence either way. The world is great that way.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Never give people too much credit.

thats advocating an authoritarian regime, which is what trump wants to do

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

my opinion is that everyone in america is well aware of what type of person Trump is. If they go ahead and choose him as president, then they knew exactly what they were doing. The situation is nothing like it was in 2016 when he was a controversial celebrity

Honestly though if anything his cult of personality has grown significantly since 2016 - though possibly more in intensity than scope. I'd imagine some of the more moderate Republicans who voted for him in 2016 would struggle to vote for him again now. But you never know. As I said... 6/5 is tempting enough to bet on a win.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Honestly though if anything his cult of personality has grown significantly since 2016 - though possibly more in intensity than scope. I'd imagine some of the more moderate Republicans who voted for him in 2016 would struggle to vote for him again now. But you never know. As I said... 6/5 is tempting enough to bet on a win.

i can't remember the odds i got in 2016, i do know i ended up with a couple of hundred quid for a tiny stake

The way these things play out is complicated. They reckon that 23% of the public wont vote for trump now he is convicted. Granted some of them just wont vote at all and some may vote for biden, but that is country wide, in the swing states it may be completely different. Also, not every swing state is the same. They all have individual peculiarities


I'm going to call it now. No matter who wins the election, the other side is going to contest the result. The time of the dems saying let democracy take it's course will be over, because they will have lost democracy with a trump win. I foresee a violent end to it all. It's just heading straight down that path

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i can't remember the odds i got in 2016, i do know i ended up with a couple of hundred quid for a tiny stake

The way these things play out is complicated. They reckon that 23% of the public wont vote for trump now he is convicted. Granted some of them just wont vote at all and some may vote for biden, but that is country wide, in the swing states it may be completely different. Also, not every swing state is the same. They all have individual peculiarities


I'm going to call it now. No matter who wins the election, the other side is going to contest the result. The time of the dems saying let democracy take it's course will be over, because they will have lost democracy with a trump win. I foresee a violent end to it all. It's just heading straight down that path

I got 5/1, £50 on £300 back . I thought it was a lot of money, which is crazy to look back on, I guess it must have been a good 8 years .

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[Liam-]

Only about 30% of the Republican Party are die hard maga cultists as it is, the more sensible republicans voted against him in 2020, I can’t imagine him now being a convicted felon would make them vote for him again now

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Only about 30% of the Republican Party are die hard maga cultists as it is, the more sensible republicans voted against him in 2020, I can’t imagine him now being a convicted felon would make them vote for him again now

I'd agree but you have to balance that against Biden being... if you look at it objectively... somewhere between a joke and terrifying. There's just at this point no denying that he ain't playing with a full deck any more. I don't think he's "senile" but his faculties are massively reduced... people weren't fully aware of that in 2020. He's far too old to do the job. The whole situation is a mess.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

I'd agree but you have to balance that against Biden being... if you look at it objectively... somewhere between a joke and terrifying. There's just at this point no denying that he ain't playing with a full deck any more. I don't think he's "senile" but his faculties are massively reduced... people weren't fully aware of that in 2020. He's far too old to do the job. The whole situation is a mess.

People will hold their noses at his senility, but I think Gaza is much the bigger issue. His path to victory is always through the young, and PoC. He's screwed the pooch with both of them.