Threat of violence is never a way to resolve any conflict.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by InOne

I call it putting them in their place. Razor was in perfect control, it was the others that needed calming.

That posts pretty much proves my point tbh Joe. He's not their dad, and he has no right to use threatening behaviour to stop arguments. Who the hell does he think he his? The God Father?

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Threat of violence is never a way to resolve any conflict.

Razor did not threaten violence
(spencer doing the rant we all know by heart)
ryan talking (spencer talking over him)
spencer mocking ryan's accent
razor ' calm down mate'
spencer to ryan'.. I don't need to answer anything to you cos you don't mean anything to me'
(heidi & spencer talking over each other attacking ryan)
heidi ' you should mind your business with your wife
razor 'wow wow wow don't get nasty'
(heidi & spencer still going on can't make it all out)
razor 'cos I can be the 'orriblist *bleep* in the world..wow..oi.. don't get nasty.. (cant make out next bit) alright'
spencer ' excuse me'
razor ' dont you f'in excuse me' *stands up*
razor 'stop getting f'in nasty with people'
(heidi & spencer still going on and being rude )

roughly what was said..can't make out most of speidi as they were all ranting at ryan at the sametime...and talking over eachother

Razor stood up...raised voice that's it!

If Frankie had done the same thing am 100% sure he would not have gotten a formal warning ..

Originally Posted by FireTwilight

Razor did not threaten violence
(spencer doing the rant we all know by heart)
ryan talking (spencer talking over him)
spencer mocking ryan's accent
razor ' calm down mate'
spencer to ryan'.. I don't need to answer anything to you cos you don't mean anything to me'
(heidi & spencer talking over each other attacking ryan)
heidi ' you should mind your business with your wife
razor 'wow wow wow don't get nasty'
(heidi & spencer still going on can't make it all out)
razor 'cos I can be the 'orriblist *bleep* in the world..wow..oi.. don't get nasty.. (cant make out next bit) alright'
spencer ' excuse me'
razor ' dont you f'in excuse me' *stands up*
razor 'stop getting f'in nasty with people'
(heidi & spencer still going on and being rude )

roughly what was said..can't make out most of speidi as they were all ranting at ryan at the sametime...and talking over eachother

Razor stood up...raised voice that's it!

If Frankie had done the same thing am 100% sure he would not have gotten a formal warning ..

You misunderstand. A threat of violence is a different thing to actually threatening to be violent. It's just as menacing though.

You don't need to tell someone you're going to "kick their heads in" for example, in order for their to be an undercurrent of intimidation.

[SharkAttack]

Still liked Razor for showing up to the party. Lending his voice like the colossus he is. A good man.

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Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

You misunderstand. A threat of violence is a different thing to actually threatening to be violent. It's just as menacing though.

You don't need to tell someone you're going to "kick their heads in" for example, in order for their to be an undercurrent of intimidation.

ahh gotcha sorry my bad.. to me it wasn't like that though..he just 'diffused' an awful situation where speidi were allowed to get out of control..

It was like watching 2x 7 year olds fighting over 1 playstation remote between spencer & heidi.. who should have a go first... so daddy razor stepped in and turned the playstation off fight over

[Niamh.]

This bit annoys me : "heidi ' you should mind your business with your wife
razor 'wow wow wow don't get nasty'

Why is it "getting nasty" for Heidi to say that, but it's perfectly fine for every ****er in there to comment on Speidis relationship??

Originally Posted by Niamh.

This bit annoys me : "heidi ' you should mind your business with your wife
razor 'wow wow wow don't get nasty'

Why is it "getting nasty" for Heidi to say that, but it's perfectly fine for every ****er in there to comment on Speidis relationship??

I agree with you in the main in this thread, Niamh, but they did enter their relationship into big brother. As they are one person (effectively), then it's only human nature that would be under the microscope.

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

This bit annoys me : "heidi ' you should mind your business with your wife
razor 'wow wow wow don't get nasty'

Why is it "getting nasty" for Heidi to say that, but it's perfectly fine for every ****er in there to comment on Speidis relationship??

I think because Ryan's in there and his wife is not...so noone needs to diss/ bring his wife into the arguement...

I missed a bit of the speidi arguement where everyone is talking over each other just could not make it all out (sorry) hope I haven't missed anything essential..

[SharkAttack]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

This bit annoys me : "heidi ' you should mind your business with your wife
razor 'wow wow wow don't get nasty'

Why is it "getting nasty" for Heidi to say that, but it's perfectly fine for every ****er in there to comment on Speidis relationship??

Because they are the complete unapproachable package, and can be hit hard as one, not a fellow all alone with his wife at home. BB should have split them up when they first got there, get them acclimated before stirring the pot. <--referring to Speidi

[Niamh.]

I understand that but all they said was basically, their relationship is none of his business, he had no right asking them personal questions like that. They didn't say anything about his wife as such, just that his own relationship should be the only one he should be interested in

[-Sue-]

..watching again last nights show..

(just about to return to house)
spencer 'i think razor will be fine'

wait last night they feared for their life! lol SECURITY!

[Niamh.]

To add to my last post : Which I believe was a fair point considering what he had just said to them

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I understand that but all they said was basically, their relationship is none of his business, he had no right asking them personal questions like that. They didn't say anything about his wife as such, just that his own relationship should be the only one he should be interested in

Im not sure if Ryan was trying to change subject to diffuse the argueing or just trying to make chatter.. either way speidi attacked him and were insanely rude to ryan for what I believe to be an off-the-wall joke/lighthearted discussion that was meant to be a pebble in the ocean and speidi turned into dropping a boulder in a small puddle! if they really did not want to discuss it they could have just said something like 'we don't really want to talk about that' simple but.. *drumroll* for dramatic effect they turned it into WW10!

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by FireTwilight

Im not sure if Ryan was trying to change subject to diffuse the argueing or just trying to make chatter.. either way speidi attacked him and were insanely rude to ryan for what I believe to be an off-the-wall joke/lighthearted discussion that was meant to be a pebble in the ocean and speidi turned into dropping a boulder in a small puddle! if they really did not want to discuss it they could have just said something like 'we don't really want to talk about that' simple but.. *drumroll* for dramatic effect they turned it into WW10!

That joke just came across as really strange though, I didn't realise it was supposed to be a joke myself until he claimed it was. It was incredibly badly timed and executed if it genuinely was a joke

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That joke just came across as really strange though, I didn't realise it was supposed to be a joke myself until he claimed it was. It was incredibly badly timed and executed if it genuinely was a joke

hehe yeah was a doozy of a night...trying to work out who started what and why lol all I know is Ive watched the weekends HL shows many more times than just once lol great viewing

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by FireTwilight

hehe yeah was a doozy of a night...trying to work out who started what and why lol all I know is Ive watched the weekends HL shows many more times than just once lol great viewing

haha, well no matter who's side you're on, that can only be a good thing I reckon!

[Livia]

The whole thing is unfair. You can't expect people not to be riled. Big Brother is being much more favourable to Speidi. They have been allowed to pretend their leaving, to spy on the others, not to have anything they've said about the other housemates behind their backs shown in the house, they have humiliated and castigated other housemates for what they've said and now they are allowed to sleep in their own "quarters". I feel a bit sorry for the other housemates that Big Brother is being so unfair in its preferential treatment of Speidi. No wonder there's friction, albeit manufactured friction.

And really - Razor Ruddock - they knew who he was and what he was like. We ALL know what he's like. If you load the dice like BB have done, don't expect someone like him to become a wallflower. He did exactly what he was put in there for and they ticked him off for doing it.

[Niamh.]

He was far too threatening and aggressive Livia, you can't excuse that behaviour because "It's just razor"

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

haha, well no matter who's side you're on, that can only be a good thing I reckon!

agreed this has been one of the best CBB's in ages for me.. dispite wanting to throw things at my screen when speidi annoy me..or punish them in ways that almost make my hair curl..between the show and this forum (great fun on the forum) Ive even managed to not play as much on FB (and that hardly ever happens) great fun

PS although my ignore list has grown a lot too this year lol

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by FireTwilight

agreed this has been one of the best CBB's in ages for me.. dispite wanting to throw things at my screen when speidi annoy me..or punish them in ways that almost make my hair curl..between the show and this forum (great fun on the forum) Ive even managed to not play as much on FB (and that hardly ever happens) great fun

PS although my ignore list has grown a lot too this year lol

There's quite a few bores in there as well though, hopefully Claire or Lacey will go this week, need to keep the action going in there for as long as possible

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

There's quite a few bores in there as well though, hopefully Claire or Lacey will go this week, need to keep the action going in there for as long as possible

Don't you disagree with me Niamh, I'll fight you girl...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Don't you disagree with me Niamh, I'll fight you girl...

Sorry about that Raz.........Livia

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

There's quite a few bores in there as well though, hopefully Claire or Lacey will go this week, need to keep the action going in there for as long as possible

Yes I have a feeling Claire or Lacey will go too.. (sorry Lacey or Claire fans)

If BB are going to allow Speidi to stay in basement I want them to go..as that is favouratism & I feel it is unfair to allow the other HM's paranoia to grow with speidi not in with the group..I loathe them as people (vile)..

Just wish we could get BB to do more tasks... (even the score BB Rylan wants to see what speidi said too) the show needs a change of pace other than watching HM's apologise to speidi and speidi return to basement and talk badly about the HMs that just apologised.. that is boring 7 kinds of poo out of me *sigh*

..wanders off sorry 5 coffee's today and im babbling like a freak off a leash...

[Niamh.]

^ Yes, that I do agree with you on, they shouldn't be allowed stay in the Basement like that, it is unfair