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J-Rock · 03-09-2009, 10:34 PM

There are different types - scheming to win, scheming to avoid noms (Lisa), to be popular in the house, to avoid ridicule on the outside, to show off 'talents', to hide things about yourself....so many different connotations.

Vash may have one, but I genuinely believe it is more about him wanting to look OK to the outside world, while being true to himself (most HMs want at least this), and more lately avoid embarassment for the girlfriend thing - rather than trying to win - he doesn't give a ***** about winning and if anybody cannot see that yet after the last few weeks then...

....and I don't think he thinks he's gonna win (despite what he said in DR). So, this is why he had the dilemma of whether to walk out. If he had a gameplan (to win - which is how most define it), he wouldn't be acting like a bit of a t*t just before finals night.

He has been ridiculed in last few days with the HL task - he had tried to dismiss this from his mind - but BB brought it back to haunt him. So, he's now trying damage limitation and feeling embarassed (normal human reaction)....end of.

MissKittyFantastico · 03-09-2009, 10:39 PM

I think Siavash's biggest downfall is that he worries far too much what other people think of him, I've said this before, I do actually believe he is carrying around a lot of insecurity within himself. Yes he wear flamboyant clothes, and talks the talk, but a lot of people do that to try and make themselves feel better. Also if it's true about his father regarding him as a freak, well that would put a HUGE amount of self doubt and paranoia into someone's head.

I think he's a people pleaser yes, he is desperate to be liked, and that has been his gameplan. He's craving acceptance from everyone, which is actually quite sad. He seems very confused about who he is, and I think that is why we're seeing him as he is now, he doesn't know what to do for the best at this point.

BB have not helped this situation AT ALL, and I think they've been very rough on him the past couple of weeks.

masonbason · 03-09-2009, 10:41 PM

[rquote=2533291&tid=145971&author=J-Rock]There are different types - scheming to win, scheming to avoid noms (Lisa), to be popular in the house, to avoid ridicule on the outside, to show off 'talents', to hide things about yourself....so many different connotations.

Vash may have one, but I genuinely believe it is more about him wanting to look OK to the outside world, while being true to himself (most HMs want at least this), and more lately avoid embarassment for the girlfriend thing - rather than trying to win - he doesn't give a **** about winning and if anybody cannot see that yet after the last few weeks then...

....and I don't think he thinks he's gonna win (despite what he said in DR). So, this is why he had the dilemma of whether to walk out. If he had a gameplan (to win - which is how most define it), he wouldn't be acting like a bit of a t*t just before finals night.

He has been ridiculed in last few days with the HL task - he had tried to dismiss this from his mind - but BB brought it back to haunt him. So, he's now trying damage limitation and feeling embarassed (normal human reaction)....end of.

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well said,, t

setanta · 03-09-2009, 10:41 PM

Nothing wrong with a gameplan but this guy is deceitful and destroying the integrity of the show and of others just to satisfy is own ego and need to win. Everyone has a gameplan but this guy is up there with Charlie in his level of scheming and acting.

masonbason · 03-09-2009, 10:41 PM

[rquote=2533350&tid=145971&author=MissKittyFantasti co]I think Siavash's biggest downfall is that he worries far too much what other people think of him, I've said this before, I do actually believe he is carrying around a lot of insecurity within himself. Yes he wear flamboyant clothes, and talks the talk, but a lot of people do that to try and make themselves feel better. Also if it's true about his father regarding him as a freak, well that would put a HUGE amount of self doubt and paranoia into someone's head.

I think he's a people pleaser yes, he is desperate to be liked, and that has been his gameplan. He's craving acceptance from everyone, which is actually quite sad. He seems very confused about who he is, and I think that is why we're seeing him as he is now, he doesn't know what to do for the best at this point.

BB have not helped this situation AT ALL, and I think they've been very rough on him the past couple of weeks. [/rquote]

Great observation... completely agree

J-Rock · 03-09-2009, 10:41 PM

[rquote=2533350&tid=145971&author=MissKittyFantasti co]I think Siavash's biggest downfall is that he worries far too much what other people think of him, I've said this before, I do actually believe he is carrying around a lot of insecurity within himself. Yes he wear flamboyant clothes, and talks the talk, but a lot of people do that to try and make themselves feel better. Also if it's true about his father regarding him as a freak, well that would put a HUGE amount of self doubt and paranoia into someone's head.

I think he's a people pleaser yes, he is desperate to be liked, and that has been his gameplan. He's craving acceptance from everyone, which is actually quite sad. He seems very confused about who he is, and I think that is why we're seeing him as he is now, he doesn't know what to do for the best at this point.

BB have not helped this situation AT ALL, and I think they've been very rough on him the past couple of weeks. [/rquote]

Yes, people-pleaser is probably an apt label, but I also think he (at least in his own mind) is trying to be true to himself and what he believes is right for him to do. He's not trying to win it, which is what so many people accuse him of - misunderstood (just like Freddie and Marcus)...

shirl1 · 03-09-2009, 10:43 PM

still hope he wins and will vote for him but he has done himself no favours tonight

Vicky. · 03-09-2009, 10:43 PM

[rquote=2533350&tid=145971&author=MissKittyFantasti co]I think Siavash's biggest downfall is that he worries far too much what other people think of him, I've said this before, I do actually believe he is carrying around a lot of insecurity within himself. Yes he wear flamboyant clothes, and talks the talk, but a lot of people do that to try and make themselves feel better. Also if it's true about his father regarding him as a freak, well that would put a HUGE amount of self doubt and paranoia into someone's head.

I think he's a people pleaser yes, he is desperate to be liked, and that has been his gameplan. He's craving acceptance from everyone, which is actually quite sad. He seems very confused about who he is, and I think that is why we're seeing him as he is now, he doesn't know what to do for the best at this point.

BB have not helped this situation AT ALL, and I think they've been very rough on him the past couple of weeks. [/rquote]

I agree with this.

I said the same about marcus, only to be shot down with claims of 'hes a legend' and such.

I think he was also deeply insecure, this came about the night he was talking to charlie about never being wanted as a child. I believe he also put on a persona to try and protect himself...

An unpopular view, but it makes sense.

MissKittyFantastico · 03-09-2009, 10:46 PM

[rquote=2533370&tid=145971&author=J-Rock][rquote=2533350&tid=145971&author=MissKittyFantasti co]I think Siavash's biggest downfall is that he worries far too much what other people think of him, I've said this before, I do actually believe he is carrying around a lot of insecurity within himself. Yes he wear flamboyant clothes, and talks the talk, but a lot of people do that to try and make themselves feel better. Also if it's true about his father regarding him as a freak, well that would put a HUGE amount of self doubt and paranoia into someone's head.

I think he's a people pleaser yes, he is desperate to be liked, and that has been his gameplan. He's craving acceptance from everyone, which is actually quite sad. He seems very confused about who he is, and I think that is why we're seeing him as he is now, he doesn't know what to do for the best at this point.

BB have not helped this situation AT ALL, and I think they've been very rough on him the past couple of weeks. [/rquote]

Yes, people-pleaser is probably an apt label, but I also think he (at least in his own mind) is trying to be true to himself and what he believes is right for him to do. He's not trying to win it, which is what so many people accuse him of - misunderstood (just like Freddie and Marcus)...[/rquote]

Oh no doubt, I do believe he is trying desperately to stay true to himself, which is where the not nominating thing came from, he saw his friends being ganged up on in the block vote, could see what was going on, and he thought it wasn't right so he protested in the only way he could see how, by taking himself out of the process. A flawed concept perhaps, but he was being true to himself and what he believes in.

But this is battling against his wish to be liked and understood as well, no wonder he is so confused and at odds with himself. He is only 23 as well, people tend to forget that he is very young still.

Niamh. · 03-09-2009, 10:47 PM

Yeah, agree definately, all of them have "gameplans" whether there concious or subconcious ones. Siavash knows that the public hate people who threaten to walk (whether they follow through or not) I do think he genuinely was having a bit of a meltdown, realising he's out tomorrow and he's going to have to face the real world again and an angry ex-girlfriend to boot! I think he was just bricking it and thought maybe sneaking out the back door could be an easier option.

jadore212 · 03-09-2009, 10:53 PM

[rquote=2533291&tid=145971&author=J-Rock]There are different types - scheming to win, scheming to avoid noms (Lisa), to be popular in the house, to avoid ridicule on the outside, to show off 'talents', to hide things about yourself....so many different connotations.

Vash may have one, but I genuinely believe it is more about him wanting to look OK to the outside world, while being true to himself (most HMs want at least this), and more lately avoid embarassment for the girlfriend thing - rather than trying to win - he doesn't give a **** about winning and if anybody cannot see that yet after the last few weeks then...

....and I don't think he thinks he's gonna win (despite what he said in DR). So, this is why he had the dilemma of whether to walk out. If he had a gameplan (to win - which is how most define it), he wouldn't be acting like a bit of a t*t just before finals night.

He has been ridiculed in last few days with the HL task - he had tried to dismiss this from his mind - but BB brought it back to haunt him. So, he's now trying damage limitation and feeling embarassed (normal human reaction)....end of.

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agree:

BONNEIP · 03-09-2009, 10:53 PM

If the guy, had an decency or was looking for credibility, after being uncerimoniosly dumped by Noirin, he should have walked then...not be thinking about it, now he's reached the BB final.

jadore212 · 03-09-2009, 10:56 PM

agree

[rquote=2533350&tid=145971&author=MissKittyFantasti co]I think Siavash's biggest downfall is that he worries far too much what other people think of him, I've said this before, I do actually believe he is carrying around a lot of insecurity within himself. Yes he wear flamboyant clothes, and talks the talk, but a lot of people do that to try and make themselves feel better. Also if it's true about his father regarding him as a freak, well that would put a HUGE amount of self doubt and paranoia into someone's head.

I think he's a people pleaser yes, he is desperate to be liked, and that has been his gameplan. He's craving acceptance from everyone, which is actually quite sad. He seems very confused about who he is, and I think that is why we're seeing him as he is now, he doesn't know what to do for the best at this point.

BB have not helped this situation AT ALL, and I think they've been very rough on him the past couple of weeks. [/rquote]

luminoussun · 03-09-2009, 10:57 PM

if being himself means in real life he is a game planer then fair enough

Sir_Diary_of_Roomus · 03-09-2009, 10:58 PM

[rquote=2533350&tid=145971&author=MissKittyFantasti co]I think Siavash's biggest downfall is that he worries far too much what other people think of him, I've said this before, I do actually believe he is carrying around a lot of insecurity within himself. Yes he wear flamboyant clothes, and talks the talk, but a lot of people do that to try and make themselves feel better. Also if it's true about his father regarding him as a freak, well that would put a HUGE amount of self doubt and paranoia into someone's head.

I think he's a people pleaser yes, he is desperate to be liked, and that has been his gameplan. He's craving acceptance from everyone, which is actually quite sad. He seems very confused about who he is, and I think that is why we're seeing him as he is now, he doesn't know what to do for the best at this point.

BB have not helped this situation AT ALL, and I think they've been very rough on him the past couple of weeks. [/rquote]

That's about as spot on as you can get.

setanta · 03-09-2009, 10:59 PM

[rquote=2533469&tid=145971&author=BONNEIP]If the guy, had an decency or was looking for credibility, after being uncerimoniosly dumped by Noirin, he should have walked then...not be thinking about it, now he's reached the BB final. [/rquote]

He was never going to walk ,you know that as well as I do and the absolute gall of the man to suggest that Noirin should leave the house, instead of him. Remember that? She was a bitch but he's just as bad. He'll do anything to look good in front of the audience at home, including p£ssing over others.

J-Rock · 03-09-2009, 11:00 PM

[rquote=2533414&tid=145971&author=MissKittyFantasti co][rquote=2533370&tid=145971&author=J-Rock][rquote=2533350&tid=145971&author=MissKittyFantasti co]I think Siavash's biggest downfall is that he worries far too much what other people think of him, I've said this before, I do actually believe he is carrying around a lot of insecurity within himself. Yes he wear flamboyant clothes, and talks the talk, but a lot of people do that to try and make themselves feel better. Also if it's true about his father regarding him as a freak, well that would put a HUGE amount of self doubt and paranoia into someone's head.

I think he's a people pleaser yes, he is desperate to be liked, and that has been his gameplan. He's craving acceptance from everyone, which is actually quite sad. He seems very confused about who he is, and I think that is why we're seeing him as he is now, he doesn't know what to do for the best at this point.

BB have not helped this situation AT ALL, and I think they've been very rough on him the past couple of weeks. [/rquote]

Yes, people-pleaser is probably an apt label, but I also think he (at least in his own mind) is trying to be true to himself and what he believes is right for him to do. He's not trying to win it, which is what so many people accuse him of - misunderstood (just like Freddie and Marcus)...[/rquote]

Oh no doubt, I do believe he is trying desperately to stay true to himself, which is where the not nominating thing came from, he saw his friends being ganged up on in the block vote, could see what was going on, and he thought it wasn't right so he protested in the only way he could see how, by taking himself out of the process. A flawed concept perhaps, but he was being true to himself and what he believes in.

But this is battling against his wish to be liked and understood as well, no wonder he is so confused and at odds with himself. He is only 23 as well, people tend to forget that he is very young still.[/rquote]

I think the BB House would play with anyone's head - what, cameras on you 24/7 and a load of HMs that you have to try and duck and dive with for 14 weeks.

He also had the bottle to stand up for Freddie, and also stand up to Bea (in his own cool way) - before Marcus, David or Lisa really did so at the end.

Wee-Mo · 03-09-2009, 11:15 PM

[rquote=2533513&tid=145971&author=Sir_Diary_of_Room us][rquote=2533350&tid=145971&author=MissKittyFantasti co]I think Siavash's biggest downfall is that he worries far too much what other people think of him, I've said this before, I do actually believe he is carrying around a lot of insecurity within himself. Yes he wear flamboyant clothes, and talks the talk, but a lot of people do that to try and make themselves feel better. Also if it's true about his father regarding him as a freak, well that would put a HUGE amount of self doubt and paranoia into someone's head.

I think he's a people pleaser yes, he is desperate to be liked, and that has been his gameplan. He's craving acceptance from everyone, which is actually quite sad. He seems very confused about who he is, and I think that is why we're seeing him as he is now, he doesn't know what to do for the best at this point.

BB have not helped this situation AT ALL, and I think they've been very rough on him the past couple of weeks. [/rquote]

BB have not been rough enough on him he should have been kicked out for refusing to nominate

This guy played the house and now he should suffer for it. He is not going anywhere just because David was getting the attention he had to bring it back on to him

Jords · 03-09-2009, 11:16 PM

J rock & Miss Kitty know what theyre on about!

misterdude · 03-09-2009, 11:21 PM

SeetheCash is alright but he was doing the classic "I want to leave the house" routine on tonights ep. He also totally manipulated tonights task. When they were asked to decide on the biggest gameplayer, he made sure he was last.
He's not a gameplayer in a bad way but he is still the biggest gameplayer, he just wants to win more than anyone else on the show.

MissKittyFantastico · 03-09-2009, 11:21 PM

[rquote=2533632&tid=145971&author=Wee-Mo][rquote=2533513&tid=145971&author=Sir_Diary_of_Room us][rquote=2533350&tid=145971&author=MissKittyFantasti co]I think Siavash's biggest downfall is that he worries far too much what other people think of him, I've said this before, I do actually believe he is carrying around a lot of insecurity within himself. Yes he wear flamboyant clothes, and talks the talk, but a lot of people do that to try and make themselves feel better. Also if it's true about his father regarding him as a freak, well that would put a HUGE amount of self doubt and paranoia into someone's head.

I think he's a people pleaser yes, he is desperate to be liked, and that has been his gameplan. He's craving acceptance from everyone, which is actually quite sad. He seems very confused about who he is, and I think that is why we're seeing him as he is now, he doesn't know what to do for the best at this point.

BB have not helped this situation AT ALL, and I think they've been very rough on him the past couple of weeks. [/rquote]

BB have not been rough enough on him he should have been kicked out for refusing to nominate

This guy played the house and now he should suffer for it. He is not going anywhere just because David was getting the attention he had to bring it back on to him

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Blame BB for that then. They could have shown him the door at any point remember? He took the risk of being kicked out, yet still stuck to his principles. And he's not the only one in there that has refused to nominate. FOUR people did this week. Rodders only gave in as an attempt to get Lisa and David up, which worked by the way, but everyone is fine with that because it meant the chance to get Lisa out. Anyone calling Rodders a game player? I think not.

Bearing in mind that BB could have kicked him out at ANY TIME they chose, but they didn't, it makes what they are doing now look like borderline bullying tbh. Trying to cause him as much public humiliation as possible.

Have they made a big thing about Freddie being tormented for weeks by Lisa and her cronies, no all covered up and a soft interview for Lisa. Sophie, Charlie etc for stealing drink? No, nothing.

Siavash is getting the shitty end of the deal and everyone knows it or otherwise are choosing to see it differently based on their dislike for him.

Niamh. · 03-09-2009, 11:23 PM

[rquote=2533681&tid=145971&author=misterdude]SeetheCash is alright but he was doing the classic "I want to leave the house" routine on tonights ep. He also totally manipulated tonights task. When they were asked to decide on the biggest gameplayer he made sure he was last.
He's not a gameplayer in a bad way but he is still the biggest gameplayer, he just wants to win more than anyone else on the show.[/rquote]

Yes but 1 - He knows the public don't look kindly on the threatening to leave ploy and 2 - did you hear him make a joke and say the best gameplayers end up in 4th!! hehe

Niamh. · 03-09-2009, 11:25 PM

[rquote=2533682&tid=145971&author=MissKittyFantasti co][rquote=2533632&tid=145971&author=Wee-Mo][rquote=2533513&tid=145971&author=Sir_Diary_of_Room us][rquote=2533350&tid=145971&author=MissKittyFantasti co]I think Siavash's biggest downfall is that he worries far too much what other people think of him, I've said this before, I do actually believe he is carrying around a lot of insecurity within himself. Yes he wear flamboyant clothes, and talks the talk, but a lot of people do that to try and make themselves feel better. Also if it's true about his father regarding him as a freak, well that would put a HUGE amount of self doubt and paranoia into someone's head.

I think he's a people pleaser yes, he is desperate to be liked, and that has been his gameplan. He's craving acceptance from everyone, which is actually quite sad. He seems very confused about who he is, and I think that is why we're seeing him as he is now, he doesn't know what to do for the best at this point.

BB have not helped this situation AT ALL, and I think they've been very rough on him the past couple of weeks. [/rquote]

BB have not been rough enough on him he should have been kicked out for refusing to nominate

This guy played the house and now he should suffer for it. He is not going anywhere just because David was getting the attention he had to bring it back on to him

[/rquote]

Blame BB for that then. They could have shown him the door at any point remember? He took the risk of being kicked out, yet still stuck to his principles. And he's not the only one in there that has refused to nominate. FOUR people did this week. Rodders only gave in as an attempt to get Lisa and David up, which worked by the way, but everyone is fine with that because it meant the chance to get Lisa out. Anyone calling Rodders a game player? I think not.

Bearing in mind that BB could have kicked him out at ANY TIME they chose, but they didn't, it makes what they are doing now look like borderline bullying tbh. Trying to cause him as much public humiliation as possible.

Have they made a big thing about Freddie being tormented for weeks by Lisa and her cronies, no all covered up and a soft interview for Lisa. Sophie, Charlie etc for stealing drink? No, nothing.

Siavash is getting the shitty end of the deal and everyone knows it or otherwise are choosing to see it differently based on their dislike for him.[/rquote]

very well put and spot on Kitty!

Wee-Mo · 03-09-2009, 11:27 PM

[rquote=2533682&tid=145971&author=MissKittyFantasti co][rquote=2533632&tid=145971&author=Wee-Mo][rquote=2533513&tid=145971&author=Sir_Diary_of_Room us][rquote=2533350&tid=145971&author=MissKittyFantasti co]I think Siavash's biggest downfall is that he worries far too much what other people think of him, I've said this before, I do actually believe he is carrying around a lot of insecurity within himself. Yes he wear flamboyant clothes, and talks the talk, but a lot of people do that to try and make themselves feel better. Also if it's true about his father regarding him as a freak, well that would put a HUGE amount of self doubt and paranoia into someone's head.

I think he's a people pleaser yes, he is desperate to be liked, and that has been his gameplan. He's craving acceptance from everyone, which is actually quite sad. He seems very confused about who he is, and I think that is why we're seeing him as he is now, he doesn't know what to do for the best at this point.

BB have not helped this situation AT ALL, and I think they've been very rough on him the past couple of weeks. [/rquote]

BB have not been rough enough on him he should have been kicked out for refusing to nominate

This guy played the house and now he should suffer for it. He is not going anywhere just because David was getting the attention he had to bring it back on to him

[/rquote]

Blame BB for that then. They could have shown him the door at any point remember? He took the risk of being kicked out, yet still stuck to his principles. And he's not the only one in there that has refused to nominate. FOUR people did this week. Rodders only gave in as an attempt to get Lisa and David up, which worked by the way, but everyone is fine with that because it meant the chance to get Lisa out. Anyone calling Rodders a game player? I think not.

Bearing in mind that BB could have kicked him out at ANY TIME they chose, but they didn't, it makes what they are doing now look like borderline bullying tbh. Trying to cause him as much public humiliation as possible.

Have they made a big thing about Freddie being tormented for weeks by Lisa and her cronies, no all covered up and a soft interview for Lisa. Sophie, Charlie etc for stealing drink? No, nothing.

Siavash is getting the shitty end of the deal and everyone knows it or otherwise are choosing to see it differently based on their dislike for him.[/rquote]

You play with fire and eventually you get burned

BB are right to try and make him look bad in the final week as he has made BB look weak for not kicking him out when they should have.

Niamh. · 03-09-2009, 11:29 PM

You play with fire and eventually you get burned

BB are right to try and make him look bad in the final week as he has made BB look weak for not kicking him out when they should have. [/rquote]

So why didn't they kick him out then??? I wouldn't have liked it but would have completely understood them doing that

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