[ElProximo]

Many of you don't know this but I applied for BB last season and removed my application when (among other reasons) I became entirely aware C4 was specifically looking for a 'fool Christian'.
A rather unhappy rant from me went to C4 where I made it clear I was aware they deliberately intended to find 'wacko Christians' who they would then use to humiliate and essentially 'antichristian propaganda'.

I believed I had been correct when they found Stephen Baldwin but I also thought they made a mistake and, if anything, Stephen 'backfired' on them and wasn't the 'foolish ridiculous Christian' they hoped for.

Well LOW AND BEHOLD - guess who they DID find?
David Vaughan!
In case you are wondering - David and his occult wacko buddies are exactly who I was arguing with during application process days.

In fact I'm now starting to suspect it is BECAUSE I blatantly told David he was shaming Christianity that BB PICKED HIM AT ALL!
I almost feel responsible for this - did I lead BB right to the very thing I complained about??

In case you don't know - David is part of a bizarre 'christian' cult group that is infatuated with getting drunk or high in the spirit.
To Christians this group is considered one of the most disgusting, shameful and revolting cult groups going,
and,
especially because they do insist they are just another group or denomination of evangelicals.
(they are also infatuated with bizarre catholic mysticism'

Here is a few people shaming Christianity with some of the most disgusting and offensive behavior:
(Just as C4 wanted all along)

Youtube video

More of this disgrace

Youtube video

So Congrats C4 - even after you were called out on deliberately finding the most shameful and worst 'christians' for your antichristians agenda you still kept at it and finally found the ultimate antichristian propaganda HM!
Well done you got what you wanted!

[ElProximo]

For those interested in joining David's 'Christian' Church group...

Youtube video

[billy123]

religion is outdated disproved and forgotten by 90% of the world who cares about religion it is irrelevant to the modern world.

[CaraRawr]

hmm, not good. *is a christian*

[billy123]

Originally Posted by CaraRawr

hmm, not good. *is a christian*

a lot of uneducated people are.

[Sticks]

He clearly has never read Romans chapter 6 if that is the case.

In fact the apostle Paul had to counter the idea that by "sinning" they increased the amount of grace around.

In my days when I did internal affairs investigation we would have been down on him like a tonne of bricks

As for cults or as we called the "New Religious movements" I did studies on them for personal reasons and gathered dossier files on the various groups for countering purposes. A lot of the material came from an organisation called Reachout Trust who deal with this sort of problem.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by Sticks

In my days when I did internal affairs investigation we would have been down on him like a tonne of bricks

As for cults or as we called the "New Religious movements" I did studies on them for personal reasons and gathered dossier files on the various groups for countering purposes. A lot of the material came from an organisation called Reachout Trust who deal with this sort of problem.

And to be serious here a lot of people may just want to laugh this stuff off as some wacko evangelicals going too far,
but,
realistically there can and have been serious consequences to these sort of pseudo-christian movements and I can tell you they are happy to draw in and involve people with psychological and emotional problems and in this case add alcohol and drug problems (brain damage, impairment, cognitive disorders).
OK.
Then the last thing these people need is to get pulled deeper and further into zealous, psychosomatic, hypnotic and often extremely manipulative emotional states,
and,
guess who ends up visiting them in the mental hospital?
Me.
Only problem is that while I'm trying to get them back to reality someone like David shows up and undoes any progress and (in good cult like fashion) convinces them I am obviously unsaved, unbaptized in the spirit or whatever crap they are on about.

Over on this side of the pond the ones I have had to deal with are people like Todd Bentley and more locally Patricia King.

Again, people will (for a while) mistakenly think David is just a funny prankster sort of guy or a 'jesus hippy' throwback,
but,
make no mistake about it - these kinds of groups cause real and serious damage and exploitation to what is often the most vulnerable people,
and,
I am serious when I say this is outraging and considered highly offensive by Christians.
Consider this - I showed a few clips of David and his mystic priest Crowder to some pentecostal charismatic american holy roller christians
and they were absolutely DISGUSTED and quite seriously so repulsed they could barely tolerate it without feeling physically ill,
and,
wow that is that saying something when even Pentecostals think David a complete wacko and an offense to Christianity.

btw i've gotten into this with David, Crowder, Dunn and some of their friends well before this season and none of this is because of 'David the Housemate' who I notice is being fairly quiet so far.

Oh, in case you were wondering - he isn't really a monk although this cult group is into a kind of Roman Catholic Mysticism and takes up sort of mystic symbols and garb and accessories of that.

Vinnie on youtube did a superb job exposing the bizarre and pseudochristian falsehoods and cult and occult nonsense of these guys:
David's Prophet:

Youtube video

(well David is also considered a prophet and leader too. but Crowder is like their current High-Priest. I believe the dead mystic guy is their actual 'Pope')

[fruit_cake]

if Mr Cameron is so christian, how about he spread out his family fortune just like jesus did with the bread?

[billy123]

if anybody was interestested in my previous supposition that el proximo was a christian living in northern ireland living in close proximity to catholics he refused to comment but i had it confirmed by another forum user
and if anybody wondered whether he took me up on my suggestion that we take part in a civilised discussion outside of the forum well that was ignored as well

the other discussion was here if anybody is interested http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...d.php?t=139884
all requests to discuss religion either on or off the forum were refused by el proximo as expected.

[bansheewails]

I consider my own religion (born into it of course) as an extreme occult. I was born a catholic. Lets face it written on paper : A virgin Birth, a son who can walk on water, rising from the grave, ascention into heaven. All taught to us by an old man in a dress in roman who is appearently 'infallible'.

All religions could be call occults!

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by bobnot

if anybody was interestested in my previous supposition that el proximo was a christian living in northern ireland living in close proximity to catholics he refused to comment but i had it confirmed by another forum user

I am nowhere near there but even if I was it wouldn't change anything I am telling you here.

and if anybody wondered whether he took me up on my suggestion that we take part in a civilised discussion outside of the forum well that was ignored as well

I suggested we did not go derailing topics into 'atheism versus religion' debate threads.

the other discussion was here if anybody is interested http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...d.php?t=139884
all requests to discuss religion either on or off the forum were refused by el proximo

That should be somewhere in the 'Serious Debates' section and not on this board.
In this case we are specifically talking about Christianity in relation to David and what it will mean to BB11 etc.

You are not anywhere near my league on this particular topic and haven't earned the right to be 'calling people out' on it.
But,
Feel free to start something in 'Serious debates' section and I'm sure some will chime in.

[Rob54]

The guy is a muppet and that has nothing to do with his religion, he is a barbaric fox hunting moron that doesn't give a $hit for animal rights.
He'll get my vote all right a vote to evict, along with 46,000 others on the facebook save-me page
Probably not a good idea to pi$$ off so many folks when your'e on a popularity show, we can't wait for him to go.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by bobnot

religion is outdated disproved and forgotten by 90% of the world who cares about religion it is irrelevant to the modern world.

Christians 2.3 billion

Islam 1.2 billion

world pop 6.8 billion

not to mention Hinduism, Buddhism etc


try looking past your nose

[Crimson Dynamo]

He is to Christians what 99% of the homosexuals on BB have been to Gays (Marco, Keemal, David..)

at least they seem to have found a regular gay in The Mole it seems so far.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Christians 2.3 billion

Islam 1.2 billion

world pop 6.8 billion

not to mention Hinduism, Buddhism etc


try looking past your nose

A 2005 survey published in Encyclopædia Britannica found that the non-religious made up about 11.9% of the world's population, and atheists about 2.3%.

The idea of religion 'disappearing' in the wake of modernization, technological convenience and scientific progress is really a phenomenon unique to western societies,
but,
is not shared by the vast majority of people around the world who see no correlation and in maintain their religions (and even increase) the more modern and advanced the other parts of their societies become.

One example I can give you is the astonishingly and increasingly progressive Mainland China where Christianity (as well as Buddhism and other religions) are increasing and growing despite plenty of efforts to slow them down. This is coinciding with astonishing 'modernization' and fast growing science and technology.

But then again the same person who insists that 'most people are leaving religion' is the same person who actually challenged me to watch 'Zeitgeist' and believed it somehow 'proved christianity is false' FFS

Anyways,
I don't want to pull this topic off of David and C4 and BB11

I should also say some off us discussed this very thing with with CBB Stephen and how it was obvious they wanted to find a 'fool Christian' for the specific purpose of badly representing Christianity in the BB house.
BB ended up looking a little stupid on that one.
So,
Yes I think they found their perfect 'stooge' in David who will do a great job for them.

[AfroMullet]

Originally Posted by bobnot

religion is outdated disproved and forgotten by 90% of the world who cares about religion it is irrelevant to the modern world.

LOL, that has to be the stupidest thing ive read in my life.

But yeah that cult is some bull****, they need to stop using gods name to try and justify there bull****, then again, thats what devils do and then suck in the dumb, deaf and blind and bring them down with them.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by CaraRawr

hmm, not good. *is a christian*

How often do you read scripture? Go to church?

[Genuinly interested here. Never had your pegged as a Christian, but too many people call themselves Christian and are in fact not].

Originally Posted by AfroMullet

LOL, that has to be the stupidest thing ive read in my life.

But yeah that cult is some bull****, they need to stop using gods name to try and justify there bull****, then again, thats what devils do and then suck in the dumb, deaf and blind and bring them down with them.

What a charming custom status. I wonder did you think anyone would notice.

Sizzla's a silly homophobe.

[AfroMullet]

Hahaha to be honest no i didnt think anyone would notice/understand the referance, fair play.

As for Sizzla, silly? No. Homophobe? Most definatly, but rasta man dont apologize to.. Well you know the rest.

[Stu]

I much prefer the rastas who believe in the mantras of judge not and unconditional peace and love to all. That in my mind is what rastafari is about. Not the Bobo Ashanti nuts who are just another tired hate group hiding behind a ganja plant.

Fascinating culture.

[CaraRawr]

Originally Posted by Stu

How often do you read scripture? Go to church?

[Genuinly interested here. Never had your pegged as a Christian, but too many people call themselves Christian and are in fact not].

Going to be honest, I don't go to church much and I read the bible sometimes. But I've been brought up on Christianity and it's what I believe in and always have done. Haha, I'm not the most dedicated follower if I'm perfectly honest but I still love God, pray and all that.

[Stu]

How do you know your god is the correct one? It's merely the way you were brought up. Sorry if I sound antagonising, because I believe in [some sort of] god too, but I don't get the idea of ultraspecific religions, books etc.

If your parents lived in Iran then chances are you would be a Muslim and would see Allah as the correct god.

[Niall]

Originally Posted by Stu

How do you know your god is the correct one? It's merely the way you were brought up. Sorry if I sound antagonising, because I believe in [some sort of] god too, but I don't get the idea of ultraspecific religions, books etc.

If your parents lived in Iran then chances are you would be a Muslim and would see Allah as the correct god.

Well its kinda like growing up and being told you whole life that a fork is a spoon (if you know what I mean).

I'm catholic but I'm not getting confirmed -- some things in my religion I don't agree with, but I still would go to Catholic mass if given the choice and I also pray regularly .

[Saph]

i didnt even realise there still were strict Christians in this day in age xD I think most people take religion as a joke nowadays.

[InOne]

I don't like this Evangelical 'cool to be Christian' attitude that some have seemed to have adopted.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by SaphLiike

i didnt even realise there still were strict Christians in this day in age xD I think most people take religion as a joke nowadays.

you do realise that there are people outside of your friends, other streets, schools other towns, cities, countries, continents?


Jesus H Christ - some people on Tibb take the biscuit (and wine)