[craigie2405]

Im like Ben but don't bother much with him but all i can say is what they are doing to him in that house is awful

They are just starting to bully the poor man !!!!

[starry]

He is not bullied, look at the jibes Sunshine has had to take and all the bitching about her.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by craigie2405

Im like Ben but don't bother much with him but all i can say is what they are doing to him in that house is awful

They are just starting to bully the poor man !!!!

Seriously **** with using the word 'bully'. Incorrect over use of terms like that are what have killed BB over the years.

He is in an entirely self created situation and is an adult man capable of defending himself.

The only problem with Ben is that the HL show is showing what he really is like too late... they could have made a story out of his back stabbing and shady behaviour from day 3 of this season, because it has been there.

The fact they didnt has created this situation where the less observant, or those that mainly watch the HL show, see him as this kind of 'victim'. These people really don't understand what he has done wrong because they don't have the full story of his general slimey machiavellian game play up to this point so they defend him out of ignorance.

He is a back biting betraying snake, pure and simple, but people are falling for his bumbling toff act. More fool them I say.

[Claymores]

He he he - you're not about to let this one slide are you vessy?!!

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Claymores

He he he - you're not about to let this one slide are you vessy?!!

lol no, not on eviction day, every person that reads a view to balance the overriding silly BS supporting Ben on this forum might be one more vote for him tonight.

the use of 'bully' does p1ss me off though tbh, I hate it being dragged out when the situation isnt anywhere near that.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Seriously **** with using the word 'bully'. Incorrect over use of terms like that are what have killed BB over the years.

He is in an entirely self created situation and is an adult man capable of defending himself.

The only problem with Ben is that the HL show is showing what he really is like too late... they could have made a story out of his back stabbing and shady behaviour from day 3 of this season, because it has been there.

The fact they didnt has created this situation where the less observant, or those that mainly watch the HL show, see him as this kind of 'victim'. These people really don't understand what he has done wrong because they don't have the full story of his general slimey machiavellian game play up to this point so they defend him out of ignorance.

He is a back biting betraying snake, pure and simple, but people are falling for his bumbling toff act. More fool them I say.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzz same old,same old lack of insight.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by kazanne

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzz same old,same old lack of insight.

I believe I already addressed this post in the part where I used the words 'less observant' and 'ignorance' above.

[Frank E]

He's not gossiping any more than other HMs. He just lacks the balls to justify his reasoning.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Frank E

He's not gossiping any more than other HMs. He just lacks the balls to justify his reasoning.

No one has accused him of doing so.

You have missed the point of what the problem is with him I think.

[Frank E]

No, no I don't think I have.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Frank E

No, no I don't think I have.

Your post above would suggest otherwise. Not having a go, just saying.

[Peter Plunker]

He's a grown ass man. He needs to take responsibilty for his actions and ensure that he doesn't do it again.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by vesavius

I believe I already addressed this post in the part where I used the words 'less observant' and 'ignorance' above.

Say what you mean,don't skirt round the issue,I don't read certain posts all the way through as i already know what they are going to say,Why should I or those that like Ben be less observant and ignorant than you,just because our opinion differs.Ben has done nothing to warrant crucifying

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by Peter Plunker

He's a grown ass man. He needs to take responsibilty for his actions and ensure that he doesn't do it again.

That's a wise observation. People are forgetting he's one of the oldest in the house - not some vunerable child who should need wrapped in cotton-wool by this forum.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by kazanne

Say what you mean,don't skirt round the issue,I don't read certain posts all the way through as i already know what they are going to say

I have already said what I mean, and I hardly skirt around the issue, which if you had read you would know.

it's that ignorance thing again I guess.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by vesavius

I have already said what I mean, and I hardly skirt around the issue, which if you had read you would know.

it's that ignorance thing again I guess.

You are skirting round the issue,if you think I am ignorant,say so!

[fingers]

Originally Posted by kazanne

Say what you mean,don't skirt round the issue,I don't read certain posts all the way through as i already know what they are going to say,Why should I or those that like Ben be less observant and ignorant than you,just because our opinion differs.Ben has done nothing to warrant crucifying

I have chosen to put the less intelligent and vituperative posters on ignore, I don't really need to see their twisted views!

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Seriously **** with using the word 'bully'. Incorrect over use of terms like that are what have killed BB over the years.

He is in an entirely self created situation and is an adult man capable of defending himself.

The only problem with Ben is that the HL show is showing what he really is like too late... they could have made a story out of his back stabbing and shady behaviour from day 3 of this season, because it has been there.

The fact they didnt has created this situation where the less observant, or those that mainly watch the HL show, see him as this kind of 'victim'. These people really don't understand what he has done wrong because they don't have the full story of his general slimey machiavellian game play up to this point so they defend him out of ignorance.

He is a back biting betraying snake, pure and simple, but people are falling for his bumbling toff act. More fool them I say.

Exactly! and well put...why he isnt fave to go is beyond me. He has bought it all on himself with his sly game playing and manipulation, poor ben my arse

[arsenalforever]

Originally Posted by kazanne

You are skirting round the issue,if you think I am ignorant,say so!

just ignore him he's a bit of a tool

[stoney]

Ben's only problem is he talks too much and tries to fill the silences so occasionally will say more than he intended to or should do.
as someone who does the same, and is a weeeeeeee bitty older than him( the age some of you seem to think that we should all be good well adjusted grown ups and not get allowed the same latitude as the younger ones for some obscure reason), I can really relate to Ben

It doesn't stop him from being one of the nicest guys in there as the pack try to close in round him and iscolate him more as his weak friends run for the cover and protection of the other gang who are nastier both to them throughout and towards ben .

But hopefully the more observant watchers of BB will see how the producers are manipulating the situation to help their favourite Shabby to build her tribe and stay in for a right on winner of the last BB, altho i cant work out how they will manage to turn us all against Steve who , altho he does nowt, will never be evicted by the GBP in a month of sundays

[chuff me dizzy]

He is being treat terribly,everyone thinks hes easy prey ,it says more about the people having a go at him than it does him ,lovely ,gentle man

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Exactly! and well put...why he isnt fave to go is beyond me. He has bought it all on himself with his sly game playing and manipulation, poor ben my arse

I don't have an idea why either Netto.

I think Govan (hopefully not) or Dave will go tonight, as he should tbh for the sake of the show, but I am honestly gonna p1ss myself laughing if there is an upset and Ben is out.

BB at it's best

[Patricia4]

I like Ben I think he's funny I dont want him to go.
Govan out

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Peter Plunker

He's a grown ass man. He needs to take responsibilty for his actions and ensure that he doesn't do it again.

yeah, but it's easier to fumble out continous apologies and rely on the gullible seeing you as the fumbling toff 'victim'.

I don't see why anyone would trust, or see as in any way blamless, a man that spends 90% of his time apologising for his intentional actions tbh.

but only when he is caught out you will notice... he never says sorry before then.

[GiRTh]

Big Brother has contributed to Bens dilemma. HE was not the only one who was talking about nominations but he was the only one to be punished. Sunshine and JJ talked too but they didn't get punished. Its difficult to understand why BB didn't punish them too.