[ElProximo]

BB is primarily a 'social status/dynamic' competition. There is no real objective measure for a 'deserving winner',
however,
We always consider how they handle themselves in there, in light of what social skills, social background and social status they came from.

A HM may win for being a transsexual and immigrant who is then 'rewarded' for somehow behaving/socially interacting well in their own context. From what they started with and how they were fit in the House.

Other HMs won for being attractive girls who were then 'dumped' by a scoundrel and therefore 'rewarded' for being the 'girl power' cause of the week.

HMs have won for being a bit simple-minded and then rewarded for how they overcame their disadvantage.

SO... ... Steve has as much right or reason to win because he has entered with a unique social status/situation,
and,
then how he deals with that disability and position throughout BB.

If you disagree then tell me how you would apply the same standard for Steve to any other HM?

Why should I accept that "he ought not win just because of his disability and heroic service".
Why not?
I say its as good a reason as any other and why not?

[BBDodge]

He ought not to win because he's boring.

[soleila]

Yeah, he's a dull hm. Winners are usually picked because the are kind and endearing, not boring lazy and borderline pervy. It's not a pity or worshipping contest.

[charmingmissc]

steve should not win just because he has a disability, regardless of how he got it.

for me it is their personality that matters.

the ones you could be friends and socialize with.

that is why i like josie and ben.

if you were in a room with all the housemates who would you interact with?

[billy123]

unfortunately the kids wont let him win because he hasnt got a tight ass
once they grow up they will see that that is the least of lifes trials.

[muchadoaboutnothing]

Pete Bennet won not because of his tourettes but because he was very entertaining. Mikey came second (not because of his blindness) because he was also a good housemate and all others who have won, won because of the way they appealed to the then audience. Steve could win on the sympathy vote with the media sprouting him as some sort of hero (as John McCirick did recently on BBLB) and that would be defeating the objective of BB. Yes if he was an entertaining HM and brought something to the show then he deserves to be at least in the top three. But just because he fought for Queen and country and then became disabled as a result should not be enough for him to win. The only good thing I could say about Steve is that he does prove that there is life after war and that it is possible to overcome difficult adversities, from that point of view he is an inspiration to young men coming back from Afghanistan with terrible injuries. But winning BB because of it - absolutely NOT.

[Blueisthecolour]

I understand the OPs point and agree in some ways...but.

Steve has said that he doesn't believe in using his disabilities as an excuse and wants to be judged the same as anyone else.

So on that basis I don't see him as a winner.

He isn't particularly pleasant, doesn't have a particularly winning personality and until Keeley's arrival had made little contribution to the overall dynamic of the house.

[fruit_cake]

i dont think steve can win, he's too boring you vote to win at the end.. who's gonna vote for him to win??

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by soleila

Yeah, he's a dull hm. Winners are usually picked because the are kind and endearing, not boring lazy and borderline pervy. It's not a pity or worshipping contest.

How you have the nerve to call him lazy is incredible! In case you haven't noticed - he has mobility issues and can't move around as easily and as often as others! It must be a lot more of a strain for him!

As for the pervy bit - that depends on your perspective - personally I believe he was just trying to have a bit of fun - but people misinterpret his actions because of his age and disability!

[fruit_cake]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

As for the pervy bit - that depends on your perspective - personally I believe he was just trying to have a bit of fun - but people misinterpret his actions because of his age and disability!

he doesn't perv over andrew or mario does he!!! he is a perv but i feel sorry for him he's a bloke at the end of the day must be hard for him with no legs and everything

[Niamh.]

He's dull and pervy.

[lime]

Steve has as much right to win BB as any other HM...but he certainly doesn't have more of a right because of his disabilities.

ATM he isn't a worthy winner ,nor has he done enough to make it to the final IMO.

His mobility issue does not mean he has to sit on sofa all day.
Doesn't he ply/manage a wheelchair basketball team ??It certainly wasn't a issue when he managed to farther 8 kids or bench press a couple of HM.

Mikey to an extent had mobility issues due to his vision loss but still was an entertaining HM

[stonedape]

A. Steve is boring

B. Even if he weren't boring, a double amputee one eyed former soldier winning is boring in itself.

How I apply this standard to other HMs: I do not like HMs that are boring across the board, and I do not tend to root for HMs that are obvious wins before you hear them speak. It's like watching a bodybuilder in an arm wrestling competition with 16 average people on the street. Why do you even need to watch? That said, he has been a sloppy gamesmen lately, might actually have a few weeks of late nights/good sleep before final finals. But BB is never so kind.

[eye sea]

I'm gonna be Devil's Advocate here and say Steve never served much in the army. He joined at 18 and was blown up at 19. That's not my view, that's an alternative opinion.

[Livia]

I don't think Steve will win because his personality isn't engaging enough. But I largely agree with the OP's sentiments.

Am I the only one who can guess the ages on this forum by the level of ignorance in the replies?

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by lime

Steve has as much right to win BB as any other HM...but he certainly doesn't have more of a right because of his disabilities.

ATM he isn't a worthy winner ,nor has he done enough to make it to the final IMO.

His mobility issue does not mean he has to sit on sofa all day.
Doesn't he ply/manage a wheelchair basketball team ??It certainly wasn't a issue when he managed to farther 8 kids or bench press a couple of HM.

Mikey to an extent had mobility issues due to his vision loss but still was an entertaining HM

Mikey's disability wasn't related to physical energy - getting about must be a lot more tiring for Steve than Mikey!

[MrGaryy]

Because while Sophie, Brian and Nadia all had the aforementioned gimmicks to them, it was not their sole purpose in the house and was ultimately not what they won for. They were each entertaining in their own way and generally decent people.

Where has Steve has been almost totally invisible up until yesterday when he showed himself up to me a grotesque human being. And because Nadia would have been put in that house had she been a woman from birth anyway where as Steve would not be in that house if he had both legs.

[Beso]

Lets face it, he does deserve the money!

[Beso]

Originally Posted by MrGaryy

Because while Sophie, Brian and Nadia all had the aforementioned gimmicks to them, it was not their sole purpose in the house and was ultimately not what they won for. They were each entertaining in their own way and generally decent people.

Where has Steve has been almost totally invisible up until yesterday when he showed himself up to me a grotesque human being. And because Nadia would have been put in that house had she been a woman from birth anyway where as Steve would not be in that house if he had both legs.

nadia was a pathetic ****, decieving blokes into fondling his tits, when he should have made it clear about having a cock.

[MrGaryy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

nadia was a pathetic ****, decieving blokes into fondling his tits, when he should have made it clear about having a cock.

First of all, Nadia did not have a penis. And secondly, even if she did it doesn't take away from the fact she was an entertaining housemate aside from the fact she was transgender.

[lime]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Mikey's disability wasn't related to physical energy - getting about must be a lot more tiring for Steve than Mikey!

Actually WOMBAI I remember Mikey telling HM's that getting around was tiring for him and a few of his HM"s discussing it that evening and agreeing that it would be the case if you had no vision.
So I disagree ,I think Mikey's disability would effect his physical energy.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by Blueisthecolour

Steve has said that he doesn't believe in using his disabilities as an excuse and wants to be judged the same as anyone else.

So on that basis I don't see him as a winner.

Sure but to turn that around - someone might vote for Steve BECAUSE he doesn't believing in using his disability as an excuse,
and,
that he insist he is not a 'hero' and he wants to be judged for himself.

I might say that is showing great character and admirable social graces in this BB situation.
That may be one reason we ought to vote for him?

[chuff me dizzy]

Steve should not win because he has no legs ,the winner should win on merit and merit alone

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by eye sea

I'm gonna be Devil's Advocate here and say Steve never served much in the army. He joined at 18 and was blown up at 19. That's not my view, that's an alternative opinion.

Your point being what exactly! That just makes it worse - he was so young! Carrying out his duties as a soldier - cost him his whole future, including his career, at such a tender age - before he even had chance to experience adult life! He and every other person seriously injured whilst doing a dangerous job that benefits society, be it a soldier, fireman, policeman etc - is owed by society!

[fruit_cake]

but part of his merit is that he has to function with no legs.. lets see how well Corin would do without legs!!