[KeanO]

Helen and Mark bitching about Winston, what the hell????

2 faced cow, I thought Winston was her friend ?!?!?!?

Anytime I see Helen bitching from now on, there will be a thread about it!

[the truth]

she couldnt even handle him standing up to her in a very light hearted way .........she hasnt changed , not even 1%. she even admitted it a week ago thats shes learnt nothing from the experience. now the producers seem to be pushing her story as a changed person, as is the fake ylan on bbots. shes not changed at all. shes ignorant nasty aggressive hypocritical, she gives it and cant take it back, a total spineless bully

[Achilles]

Hookers are allowed to bitch and be nasty bullies. Beautiful girls are not allowed to bitch about hookers who are nasty and bully people. Those are the rules. Just so everyone is aware.

[JTM45]

I think Helen and Mark are seeing people like Winston and Ashleigh as their 'opposition' now the series is nearing the end and i think that they think they can damage their public perception by slagging them off like they do!
It's quite pathetic to see Helen under the illusion that she could actually win this. Even though she says otherwise it's very obvious that she (and Mark)thinks she's going to fool people with some cliched 'Journey' type story, from Bully Bitch to BB Angel (yeah, right!!!).

I really hope Mark gets evicted before the final and Helen's first to go as soon as we're allowed to evict her!

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

Originally Posted by the truth

she couldnt even handle him standing up to her in a very light hearted way .........she hasnt changed , not even 1%. she even admitted it a week ago thats shes learnt nothing from the experience. now the producers seem to be pushing her story as a changed person, as is the fake ylan on bbots. shes not changed at all. shes ignorant nasty aggressive hypocritical, she gives it and cant take it back, a total spineless bully

100% agree with you, I do think she changed at all, she still very aggressive.

[Patricia4]

So she said she's not two faced well I never.

[Ammi]

..hmm, for me it's hard to say whether she's changed or learned through this or not tbh because I think there would be a 'change' anyway as we come toward the final and her having to think about 'facing the public' so there would be a natural 'calming' and reflecting about that, which is something she hasn't had to think of as a possible imminent before due to her immunity...so whether it's that or that she really has had a chance to reflect on her behaviour and how she generally deals with things so offensively to others, it's hard to tell...

[rubymoo]

I think if you have a bitchy nasty streak, it will take more than 12 weeks to remove it!

Mentally i think she's very immature, she seems stuck in the mindset of a 16 year old, and she seems to think everyone is getting at her or doesn't understand her which is typical of teenage behaviour, she's almost rebellious like a teenager and i find it fascinating that she left home at 16, was pregnant at 16/17 and disowned by her family at this age, which means she had no parental input from that age.

Which leads me to understand her behaviour much more, trust me, she'll have a book out within a year!

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by KeanO

Helen and Mark bitching about Winston, what the hell????

2 faced cow, I thought Winston was her friend ?!?!?!?

Anytime I see Helen bitching from now on, there will be a thread about it!

Yassss

[chuff me dizzy]

Love her or loathe her Helen has been this years BB ,without her it would have been a dire series

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Love her or loathe her Helen has been this years BB ,without her it would have been a dire series

Err... It has been a pretty dire series. I'm no longer of the opinion that "Helen ruined it" - it would probably have been just as dire without her - but let's not pretend she's made it compelling viewing. She's been another dire part of an overall dire set of housemates and "twists".

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Err... It has been a pretty dire series. I'm no longer of the opinion that "Helen ruined it" - it would probably have been just as dire without her - but let's not pretend she's made it compelling viewing. She's been another dire part of an overall dire set of housemates and "twists".

Helens MADE the series ,Ive not always liked her or agreed with her, but at least she's been great value ,she's been the entertainment of the entire series

[poppsywoppsy]

I don't think Helen made the series at all. Apart from her arguments, she has done little but act half heatedly in tasks she thinks she is too good for, bitch about others while lying around in the sun.

She looks good, but so does Ashleigh who runs rings around Helens mean and moody mind swings.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

I don't think Helen made the series at all. Apart from her arguments, she has done little but act half heatedly in tasks she thinks she is too good for, bitch about others while lying around in the sun.

She looks good, but so does Ashleigh who runs rings around Helens mean and moody mind swings.

She's thrown herself into all the tasks ,would Miss Pimples have let them rub fish into her thatch ?shes been an amazing hm8 whether you like her or not

[Ammi]

..there is not one singular housemate that has made or broke the series..there are a few who have been a key to the main discussion points and opinions though...without Ash, who hasn't been such a prominent or vocal character, there would not have been 'the softer/friendship' side to Helen so he's been someone who has made the house what it is as well and therefore influenced opinions..like him or not, that's what he's been and the dynamic he's created...without Ashleigh, there would be no Ashleigh v Helen ..who is the worst..?..which has created so much discussion not and opinion not only on forums but most social sites...without Mark, like him or not as well or that he's 'false' he's created some very much needed lighter moments in the series..Christopher has nicely fallen into the 'victim' that is often part of BB...only a few housemates haven't had the coverage in HLs but no one housemate is responsible for making the series....

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..there is not one singular housemate that has made or broke the series..there are a few who have been a key to the main discussion points and opinions though...without Ash, who hasn't been such a prominent or vocal character, there would not have been 'the softer/friendship' side to Helen so he's been someone who has made the house what it is as well and therefore influenced opinions..like him or not, that's what he's been and the dynamic he's created...without Ashleigh, there would be no Ashleigh v Helen ..who is the worst..?..which has created so much discussion not and opinion not only on forums but most social sites...without Mark, like him or not as well or that he's 'false' he's created some very much needed lighter moments in the series..Christopher has nicely fallen into the 'victim' that is often part of BB...only a few housemates haven't had the coverage in HLs but no one housemate is responsible for making the series....

Thats your opinion

[RockBottom]

Helen is nobody's fool. Winston has been throwing digs at Helen in the diary room all week. Very tactical on Winston's part. Love her or hate her the show would have definitely been a bit of a big yawn if she was not there. Watch out for Winston everyone his game plan is in full swing.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by RockBottom

Helen is nobody's fool. Winston has been throwing digs at Helen in the diary room all week. Very tactical on Winston's part. Love her or hate her the show would have definitely been a bit of a big yawn if she was not there. Watch out for Winston everyone his game plan is in full swing.

Winston ,like Ashleigh is a sly one ,no one can accuse Helen of that ,and thick Ash,Ashleigh and others telling Winston he's got it in the bag isn't helping matters either,there is no one else (apart from Mark now and then ) who could have provided good tv apart from Helen

[rubymoo]

I really don't want Winston or Ashleigh to win!

Too predictable!

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Thats your opinion

..of course and equally as valid as any opinion....because very little in life and especially on BB is fact....

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Achilles

Hookers are allowed to bitch and be nasty bullies. Beautiful girls are not allowed to bitch about hookers who are nasty and bully people. Those are the rules. Just so everyone is aware.

You loose the argument as soon as you start name calling,you are doing the very thing you accuse Helen of,so bye

[joeysteele]

Winston can handle that, anyway Helen has criticised Winston and disagreed with him on other occasions too.
They all have flaws as to them, if a thread was made everytime some bitching took place, 'by all of them', that would likely take up at least 75% of all threads made in my view.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by KeanO

Helen and Mark bitching about Winston, what the hell????

2 faced cow, I thought Winston was her friend ?!?!?!?

Anytime I see Helen bitching from now on, there will be a thread about it!

What kind of childish tit for tat is this ?I'm gonna join in, Winston was egging Helen on we saw it,she handled it well.

[rubymoo]

Winston was definitely egging her on, and in a way i think she knew it, hence the 'do you want an arm wrestle' comment..Lol!

[Mick]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

Winston was definitely egging her on, and in a way i think she knew it, hence the 'do you want an arm wrestle' comment..Lol!

Yes that was my thought and she sussed him.I think he felt aggrieved that Helen won the strongest HM contest but there could also be an element of game play.He was praised recently by Ashleigh for defending her against Helen he also knows Helen is on a final warning.

I think last night was testing the water and he might now attempt to raise his profile in what he will view as a positive way via further Helen baiting.