[the truth]

she knows whats shes doing, shes horrible

yet when BB calls her up on it, ONLY then does she show any remorse? or appear to show remorse?

is this just an act? or an act of self pity?

her over reaction, mis heairng, mis representing of what ashleigh and chris said was typical dangerous delusional poison. what an idiot. shes clearly thick, but shes ignorant too which is unacceptable.

she must know whats shes doing yet she always shows no mercy at all for the endless victims she bullies and victimizes

as for BBOTS thos head doctors who thought shed changed or tried to convince us just to try and brainwash us with their producers story lines, they need their head reads too, shes as bad or worse than ever....her free pass has destroyed the series.

can you imagine what shes like when theres no cameras?

[AbbieJ]

I think it's an act of self pity but it wouldn't surprise me if it was all an act tbh

[Fish_Fingers]

Her emotional and intellectual development has been much slower than that of a normal person. Ergo, she's not the sharpest tool in the box. Or to put it another way, she's basically thick.

[Patricia4]

I said in one poll she's not changed at all and I was right she is still a vile human being.

[Northern Monkey]

Yeah,Leopards don't change their spots,She's just been trying to hide hers.

[delta]

All the house mates are clearly being coached behind the scenes, don't they have access 24/7 to a doctor and psychiatrist?

What we see is a couple of minutes of an edited version of her, we don't know what has been said before or after that transmitted piece. It's quite clear that someone has had words with her before the edited piece.

She clearly has anger issues and baggage that she is carrying from the past and is probably the housemate that has come the furthest, Yes- she has a ways to go but has no axe to grind as what you see is what you get.


She has a pass to the final so we don't have to wait for the mask to drop, she sees the error of her ways but finds to change a life time's habit of jumping in head first engaging her mouth before her brain.



HELEN TO WIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[rubymoo]

Helen is her own worst enemy and I actually feel sorry for her, let's face it she's the one who has to live with herself.

I think she cries with anger and frustration, as she feels she's not being understood, but sadly because of her narrow mind and unwillingness to listen to others and reflect on herself and to empathise, she will never be properly understood, she seems to have the mindset of a 16 year old with 16 year old views and living in an adult world with adults means she's setting herself up for conflict.

She's learnt that she who shouts loudest is heard!

Saying that I think she's the most complex character, and the most deserving to be in the final 3.

She will go down in BB history and will probably have a biography out next year:-)

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by delta

All the house mates are clearly being coached behind the scenes, don't they have access 24/7 to a doctor and psychiatrist?

What we see is a couple of minutes of an edited version of her, we don't know what has been said before or after that transmitted piece. It's quite clear that someone has had words with her before the edited piece.

She clearly has anger issues and baggage that she is carrying from the past and is probably the housemate that has come the furthest, Yes- she has a ways to go but has no axe to grind as what you see is what you get.


She has a pass to the final so we don't have to wait for the mask to drop, she sees the error of her ways but finds to change a life time's habit of jumping in head first engaging her mouth before her brain.



HELEN TO WIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Helen is made of memory foam. Even if she has changed ever so slightly in the house, she'll simply snap back to whoever she was before as soon as she's back at home. Her journey comes with a return ticket.

I don't think Helen is "stupid", she's just emotionally stunted. She's basically a 5 year old. Can't control her temper, lashes out when criticised, applies different standards to everyone else than she does to herself, feels very little if any true remorse. Typical young child behaviour; will happily shout at, hit or grab things from another child without a second thought but if someone else does it to them? Shock! Disbelief! Outrage! How dare they!!

She never cries because she's genuinely upset about her behaviour, she cries out of frustration when she's been caught out and given a talking to.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by delta

All the house mates are clearly being coached behind the scenes, don't they have access 24/7 to a doctor and psychiatrist?

What we see is a couple of minutes of an edited version of her, we don't know what has been said before or after that transmitted piece. It's quite clear that someone has had words with her before the edited piece.

She clearly has anger issues and baggage that she is carrying from the past and is probably the housemate that has come the furthest, Yes- she has a ways to go but has no axe to grind as what you see is what you get.


She has a pass to the final so we don't have to wait for the mask to drop, she sees the error of her ways but finds to change a life time's habit of jumping in head first engaging her mouth before her brain.



HELEN TO WIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

..that's not relevant though because allowances for her past and her behaviour in the house is equally as unfair as bringing her past into it in terms of using it against her type thing and 'condemning' her for any of her past..it's only time and behaviour in the house...I'm not making this a Helen V Ashleigh thing but Ashleigh is the only other HM I know of as having mentioned having hard times in the past and a not great young life either ..other HM may have done as well but I just don't recall but everyone has a 'story'...and if that story was to 'excuse or understand' in any way then it could also 'judge'....equally for any of them...and for some people it's just the uncertainty of whether Helen has come the furthest or has come anywhere at all even...she still has to be 'shown' things /her behaviour/reactions etc from BB to have any awareness at all because that to her is something she can't question/deny and is 'proof'...and can't accept it from other HM when they've laid criticism at her..but carried on with hostile reactions in a viscous circle... it will take a lot of time and even more determination to break that circle and then even before that she has to reach a point of some self awareness which she still doesn't to me appear to have reached.....in real life/her outside life she won't have BB to show her 'proof', she will have to 'police' herself and I personally don't think she's capable of that without some professional help....but she also has to reach some self awareness for that to happen as well.....

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Helen is made of memory foam. Even if she has changed ever so slightly in the house, she'll simply snap back to whoever she was before as soon as she's back at home. Her journey comes with a return ticket.

I don't think Helen is "stupid", she's just emotionally stunted. She's basically a 5 year old. Can't control her temper, lashes out when criticised, applies different standards to everyone else than she does to herself, feels very little if any true remorse. Typical young child behaviour; will happily shout at, hit or grab things from another child without a second thought but if someone else does it to them? Shock! Disbelief! Outrage! How dare they!!

She never cries because she's genuinely upset about her behaviour, she cries out of frustration when she's been caught out and given a talking to.

..really good analysis TS..(as always..)...it's behaviour I've seen so many times in children and even when absolutely 'faced' with their behaviour so it can't be denied...it's often that ....well if he/she hadn't done that/said that..then I wouldn't have reacted....always projecting onto others and not accepting self responsibility....'not my fault/people shouldn't be such idiots'....

[mizzmee]

Sorry guys I've known people like Helen and you can try add as much depth to her and her 'journey' as you like but all she is is a selfish bully.
Yes, she's been through stuff in life but 1.Her past was not forced on her and 2.Her past should not mean she is 'allowed' to be mean now.
Plenty of people have had crappy lives and do not act like her. In fact anyone of those housemates could of had a troubled past but we haven't heard it as we are watching the Helen show.
Helen is a bully. She is a bully and that's it. Bully's are nasty, they are clever and are fully aware of what they are doing at all times.
She is the master of fake smiles, the master of messing with some one's psychology and if she were to win I would be so disappointed.
Do not feel for her or believe in this 'journey'. I predict that within weeks of her leaving, after all he topless shoots & fake woe is me stories, she will be front page of some ****ty tabloid for knocking out some girl while drunk. That's my prediction for her. She is a nasty bully and as I have said before on this forum it is uncomfortable to watch her and see how BB treat her having being bullied growing up.

Plus we have missed out on hearing the stories of any other housemates cos she stole the spotlight.
Helen knows what she is doing, she knew what she was at sleeping with Rooney and then cashing in doing interviews, destroying his wife's world probably and then using the money to get enough plastic surgery so she's barely recognizable as that person.

Plus she's meant to be 27??? She looks nearly 40.

[joeysteele]

To be fair to Helen and to a great deal many other people too.

In my experience and I am only 22 but I have found that once someone has done anything wrong, been found out and facing whatever consequences may arise, minor or major,that is in fact the only time in the main they cry.

I guess, it comes from the realisation,firstly you have been seen to do so and it is now known and secondly you are being held to account for it in some way too.

[Toy Soldier]

I do have to say, Helen's "hard life" story is an absolute joke. She had a very comfortable childhood - maybe her parents weren't brilliant, probably not by the sounds of it, but come on... That's hardly unusual. The world is packed full of crappy parents.

Helen hasn't had a hard life - she's made bad decisions... And that is something completely different.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I do have to say, Helen's "hard life" story is an absolute joke. She had a very comfortable childhood - maybe her parents weren't brilliant, probably not by the sounds of it, but come on... That's hardly unusual. The world is packed full of crappy parents.

Helen hasn't had a hard life - she's made bad decisions... And that is something completely different.

What was Freud on about?... Psychology?...pah, just get over yourself.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

To be fair to Helen and to a great deal many other people too.

In my experience and I am only 22 but I have found that once someone has done anything wrong, been found out and facing whatever consequences may arise, minor or major,that is in fact the only time in the main they cry.

I guess, it comes from the realisation,firstly you have been seen to do so and it is now known and secondly you are being held to account for it in some way too.

..I think the few times I've seen her cry in the DR when receiving a warning, her tears have been genuine in that she doesn't see what she projects onto others..a bit like a 'red mist' thing and no amount of anyone saying anything will make her see it either during her behaviour or in reflection other than in a situation like BB where it's 'proven' to her in the DR...I think what really bothers me..(and I do sway with feelings about Helen..)..is that when she herself is talking about something afterwards, I have heard her say things like..'oh I was a bitch..' type thing but she doesn't seem to say it with any real reflection of her part in anything but more as a flippant thing that she just seems to brush off and still accepting no responsibility...I think on the whole, most of us don't go around having so many confrontations in life but if ever we do, they would be quite a big thing and maybe things would be said in the 'heat'...but in reflection we would also look back at what our faults had been in a situation....and if we did constantly have confrontations/arguments etc....we would also look at ourselves as to why that was because we couldn't just be unfortunate enough to be constantly surrounded by unpleasant people .....I just haven't ever got that from Helen...any acceptance of any responsibility or self awareness ....

[Vladimir]

Helen's such a mess, but she's a great housemate.

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I think the few times I've seen her cry in the DR when receiving a warning, her tears have been genuine in that she doesn't see what she projects onto others..a bit like a 'red mist' thing and no amount of anyone saying anything will make her see it either during her behaviour or in reflection other than in a situation like BB where it's 'proven' to her in the DR...I think what really bothers me..(and I do sway with feelings about Helen..)..is that when she herself is talking about something afterwards, I have heard her say things like..'oh I was a bitch..' type thing but she doesn't seem to say it with any real reflection of her part in anything but more as a flippant thing that she just seems to brush off and still accepting no responsibility...I think on the whole, most of us don't go around having so many confrontations in life but if ever we do, they would be quite a big thing and maybe things would be said in the 'heat'...but in reflection we would also look back at what our faults had been in a situation....and if we did constantly have confrontations/arguments etc....we would also look at ourselves as to why that was because we couldn't just be unfortunate enough to be constantly surrounded by unpleasant people .....I just haven't ever got that from Helen...any acceptance of any responsibility or self awareness ....

She's one of those people who's always in the right

But i agree there's no self awareness, she does need professional help (as you stated in a previous post)

And i may go as far as to say she is a psychopath (how to spot a psychopath on wikihow).

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

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She's one of those people who's always in the right

But i agree there's no self awareness, she does need professional help (as you stated in a previous post)

And i may go as far as to say she is a psychopath (how to spot a psychopath on wikihow).

..yeah those people are impossible Ruby.....

..but yeah, I don't think she has 'journeyed' through her experience but may start that journey when she gets out and sees it all played back to her..we always like to think these things happen don't we but it's probably more....yeah well, whatever/my fellow housemates were all stupid idiots anyway...good riddance .....

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..yeah those people are impossible Ruby.....

..but yeah, I don't think she has 'journeyed' through her experience but may start that journey when she gets out and sees it all played back to her..we always like to think these things happen don't we but it's probably more....yeah well, whatever/my fellow housemates were all stupid idiots anyway...good riddance .....

I think the latter too

And i do think she'll have a biography out within a year.

She's one of those people who are interesting and fascinating to watch

[cheapbbfan]

bc she's trying to garner sympathy, duh

[susie q]

Originally Posted by mizzmee

Sorry guys I've known people like Helen and you can try add as much depth to her and her 'journey' as you like but all she is is a selfish bully.
Yes, she's been through stuff in life but 1.Her past was not forced on her and 2.Her past should not mean she is 'allowed' to be mean now.
Plenty of people have had crappy lives and do not act like her. In fact anyone of those housemates could of had a troubled past but we haven't heard it as we are watching the Helen show.
Helen is a bully. She is a bully and that's it. Bully's are nasty, they are clever and are fully aware of what they are doing at all times.
She is the master of fake smiles, the master of messing with some one's psychology and if she were to win I would be so disappointed.
Do not feel for her or believe in this 'journey'. I predict that within weeks of her leaving, after all he topless shoots & fake woe is me stories, she will be front page of some ****ty tabloid for knocking out some girl while drunk. That's my prediction for her. She is a nasty bully and as I have said before on this forum it is uncomfortable to watch her and see how BB treat her having being bullied growing up.

Plus we have missed out on hearing the stories of any other housemates cos she stole the spotlight.
Helen knows what she is doing, she knew what she was at sleeping with Rooney and then cashing in doing interviews, destroying his wife's world probably and then using the money to get enough plastic surgery so she's barely recognizable as that person.

Plus she's meant to be 27??? She looks nearly 40.

Well said

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I think the few times I've seen her cry in the DR when receiving a warning, her tears have been genuine in that she doesn't see what she projects onto others..a bit like a 'red mist' thing and no amount of anyone saying anything will make her see it either during her behaviour or in reflection other than in a situation like BB where it's 'proven' to her in the DR...I think what really bothers me..(and I do sway with feelings about Helen..)..is that when she herself is talking about something afterwards, I have heard her say things like..'oh I was a bitch..' type thing but she doesn't seem to say it with any real reflection of her part in anything but more as a flippant thing that she just seems to brush off and still accepting no responsibility...I think on the whole, most of us don't go around having so many confrontations in life but if ever we do, they would be quite a big thing and maybe things would be said in the 'heat'...but in reflection we would also look back at what our faults had been in a situation....and if we did constantly have confrontations/arguments etc....we would also look at ourselves as to why that was because we couldn't just be unfortunate enough to be constantly surrounded by unpleasant people .....I just haven't ever got that from Helen...any acceptance of any responsibility or self awareness ....

She has one major problem for me that stands out, it is still something even when calm that she still doesn't do as well.
She simply does not think before she speaks, she gets a small snippet of info and jumps in regardless at any negatives included,usually with all guns blazing too.

If she does watch back the highlights shown of this series,if she could realise that is what causes her so much bother and sets out to address same,then she will find a lot more easier road to go down in the future,in my view.

It is almost as if she wants to be liked but doesn't believe she can be, that she yearns for compliments but when they are given, as with Chris saying she was the most attractive in there, she thinks they are winding her up or in no way possibly serious.

She has shown to me at any rate for one, that she can hold her temper for a time,a hard thing to do in any BB house,however cannot sustain it as all her suspicions and excess baggage remain with her.
I actually hope she does look back and watch the series and I also wish her luck as to any efforts she makes to make real changes,especially to the not thinking before she reacts and speaks to issues and events.

[VirtualWaster]

And we are all so aware how much she misses her son, because it is mentioned so often (Not) basically she is a sociopath, a disease with no cure and most peoples advice about dealing with a sociopath is run, fast don't look back.