[Josy]

The article from the telegraph is from last year I think but I have only just read it

"Paedophilic interest is natural and normal for human males,” said the presentation. “At least a sizeable minority of normal males would like to have sex with children … Normal males are aroused by children.”

Some yellowing tract from the Seventies or early Eighties, era of abusive celebrities and the infamous PIE, the Paedophile Information Exchange? No. Anonymous commenters on some underground website? No again.

The statement that paedophilia is “natural and normal” was made not three decades ago but last July. It was made not in private but as one of the central claims of an academic presentation delivered, at the invitation of the organisers, to many of the key experts in the field at a conference held by the University of Cambridge.

Other presentations included “Liberating the paedophile: a discursive analysis,” and “Danger and difference: the stakes of hebephilia.”

Hebephilia is the sexual preference for children in early puberty, typically 11 to 14-year-olds.

Another attendee, and enthusiastic participant from the floor, was one Tom O’Carroll, a multiple child sex offender, long-time campaigner for the legalisation of sex with children and former head of the Paedophile Information Exchange. “Wonderful!” he wrote on his blog afterwards. “It was a rare few days when I could feel relatively popular!”

Last week, after the conviction of Rolf Harris, the report into Jimmy Savile and claims of an establishment cover-up to protect a sex-offending minister in Margaret Thatcher’s Cabinet, Britain went into a convulsion of anxiety about child abuse in the Eighties. But unnoticed amid the furore is a much more current threat: attempts, right now, in parts of the academic establishment to push the boundaries on the acceptability of child sex.

There is more at the link here

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/1...for-males.html

I find articles like this or more so the studies/presentations they discuss are trying to spoon feed the public and desensitize them into believing that this appalling disgusting behaviour that's rife amongst people in power is natural and ok to do. They can **** right off with this **** tbh.

[Niamh.]

Natural and normal? And what about the victims? Do they not count?

[Glenn.]

I'm not even going to bother reading the link. I see enough from the excerpt.

It's pretty disgusting that this was allowed to see the light of day let alone there being a presentation on it.

[smudgie]

Normal....what is this world coming to.

It's normal to protect our kids, surely.

[Ninastar]

Pretty much agree with all thats been said really. I normally just roll my eyes at these articles and don't bother.

[Northern Monkey]

NO!It is NOT normal.As far as this article goes,I think if we are a country of free speech then yes we should be able to discuss things like this and it may help us understand what goes on in these 'peoples' minds.I don't understand how any 'legitimate' study could come up with that conclusion though.If it was normal then most men would think like that,Which they most certainly don't.

[Kizzy]

We were discussing this in a thread last year I think, I posted some info on this that seemed to suggest the rules were being relaxed... Are we surprised now knowing that there were predatory peadophile rings active within westminter?

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

We were discussing this in a thread last year I think, I posted some info on this that seemed to suggest the rules were being relaxed... Are we surprised now knowing that there were predatory peadophile rings active within westminter?

I'm actually a little worried about 'if' it was all of a sudden legal how many people would actually partake in buggery with children. I thought this kind of thing was rare but it seems wherever people think they can reasonably get away with it's endemic.

[Vicky.]

Normal or not (normal..really? ), the penalty should be having their dick chopped off without anesthetic tbh. Would have FAR fewer re-offenders

[Calderyon]

Disgusting and disturbing.

But what´s equally wrong is that one of the biggest newspapers in the UK is even publishing and giving light to this story, which is incredibly irresponsible and just plain wrong.

They are basically almost endorsing this kind of thing to happen more.

[Kazanne]

Paedophiles,making excuses for paedophiles,most normal people know it's wrong and will have nothing to do with condoning this article,disgusting really that a newspaper even printed it.

[kirklancaster]

I'm not diverting this thread but this madness comes on top of Muslim Hate Clerics being invited to address audiences in our universities, and it's time now that the government took a hard look at some of our academics and the seats of learning where they are employed.

This bile is offensive and dangerous and - like Islamic Hate speeches - is outside the parameters of 'Free Speech'.

WTF is this country coming to, when some of our most learned are openly trying to insert the thin edge of a wedge into our moral perception to gradually crack it open and sanitize this sick evil and make it acceptable? Has society degenerated so much that these paedophiles now actually feel SECURE coming out of their filthy closets to spew such sick opinions with impunity?

[Samuel.]

Being solely attracted to children makes someone a monster? Absolutely not.

Acting upon those attractions is the vital difference and the two shouldn't be lumped together in any circumstance.

The attitude people have towards paedophiles is frightening, emotive and in a lot of cases harmful. If someone has paedophilic thoughts, why on earth would they reach out for help. It'd result in being shamed, villified and their life potentially ruined because of the completely unhelpful attitude of mob-like anger this country shows at every opportunity.

I really hope ten, twenty years down the line we can start approaching the topic sensibly without throwing around the word "monster".

[Samuel.]

"Finally, of course, academic inquiry is supposed to question conventional wisdom and to deal rigorously with the evidence, whether or not the conclusions it leads you to are popular."

Important to remember.

[jennyjuniper]

I'll bet they didn't accept comments from children and young people who have been abused at this 'forum'. It's disgusting that any acedemic body could give even a glimmer of 'respectibility' and endorsement to these vile individuals.
It's not normal and never will be in a sane world.

[DemolitionRed]

I think its a dangerously misleading article. No, lets not ever allow paedophilia to have an excuse.

[Livia]

What a damning indictment of all men. Outrageous...

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Livia

What a damning indictment of all men. Outrageous...

I know.I'm not one to be easily offended at all but this offends me as a man.

[lily.]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I'm not diverting this thread but this madness comes on top of Muslim Hate Clerics being invited to address audiences in our universities, and it's time now that the government took a hard look at some of our academics and the seats of learning where they are employed.

This bile is offensive and dangerous and - like Islamic Hate speeches - is outside the parameters of 'Free Speech'.

WTF is this country coming to, when some of our most learned are openly trying to insert the thin edge of a wedge into our moral perception to gradually crack it open and sanitize this sick evil and make it acceptable? Has society degenerated so much that these paedophiles now actually feel SECURE coming out of their filthy closets to spew such sick opinions with impunity?

I agree with this tbh.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Josy

The article from the telegraph is from last year I think but I have only just read it



There is more at the link here

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/1...for-males.html

I find articles like this or more so the studies/presentations they discuss are trying to spoon feed the public and desensitize them into believing that this appalling disgusting behaviour that's rife amongst people in power is natural and ok to do. They can **** right off with this **** tbh.

I agree with this it's being drip fed to us ever so subtly that men who target under aged girls are not odd.. the girls are increasingly being blamed for men assauting them, the most recent being a teacher iirc! :/

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Samuel.

Being solely attracted to children makes someone a monster? Absolutely not.

Acting upon those attractions is the vital difference and the two shouldn't be lumped together in any circumstance.

The attitude people have towards paedophiles is frightening, emotive and in a lot of cases harmful. If someone has paedophilic thoughts, why on earth would they reach out for help. It'd result in being shamed, villified and their life potentially ruined because of the completely unhelpful attitude of mob-like anger this country shows at every opportunity.

I really hope ten, twenty years down the line we can start approaching the topic sensibly without throwing around the word "monster".

I know some will call you an looney left for this post, or they'll think it at least, but I agree with you.

Not everybody with paedophile thoughts actually acts out on it, but how can they get help when everybody looks down on them all as the same? Imo there should be clinics available to the ones that haven't acted on it and they get all the help that they can get.

The ones that have acted on it should be either killed, or throw away the key as they're never gonna stop re-offending.

[Nedusa]

Is it April 1st today.....????

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Samuel.

Being solely attracted to children makes someone a monster? Absolutely not.

Acting upon those attractions is the vital difference and the two shouldn't be lumped together in any circumstance.

The attitude people have towards paedophiles is frightening, emotive and in a lot of cases harmful. If someone has paedophilic thoughts, why on earth would they reach out for help. It'd result in being shamed, villified and their life potentially ruined because of the completely unhelpful attitude of mob-like anger this country shows at every opportunity.

I really hope ten, twenty years down the line we can start approaching the topic sensibly without throwing around the word "monster".

I agree with this tbh, I remember watching a doc on channel 4 last year about a guy who was attracted to children (he couldn't help it) but he said he would never act upon it, that doesn't make him a monster imo

[Kizzy]

That's not really the reason for the topic though, the article suggests all men who feel this way are normal and that's just not true :/
It's against the law, it's far from normal as the two parties can never be consensual.

[JoshBB]

that absolutely is not normal.

an 11-14 year old is not mature enough to consent to sex with an adult, take that from someone who just about fits into that bracket.