[arista]

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Made in USA
Built by Americans
This is why, Dezzy,
Trump Won the Election



Those workers are so happy
Trump Won.

That matters so much TS.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by arista

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Made in USA
Built by Americans
This is why, Dezzy,
Trump Won the Election



Those workers are so happy
Trump Won.

That matters so much TS.

Using words like 'fascist' to describe Trump is immature and simply undermines it's true meaning. It weakens someone's argument - give em enough rope...

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Using words like 'fascist' to describe Trump is immature and simply undermines it's true meaning. It weakens someone's argument - give em enough rope...

I don't think he's a fascist. I think he seeks popularity (amongst those already on his coat tails) but is ultimately self-serving under the guise of populism. I think he is deluded and unintelligent. I think he would LOVE to be totalitarian if he could find a way to get away with it. I think he is probably dangerous and a narcissist. I don't think he expected or particularly wanted to win the presidency and now has very little idea what he's supposed to be doing, and is essentially winging it.

On a personal level I find him and his mannerisms intensely irritating. I find him to be a terrible, unconvincing and disingenuous public speaker. He is over-sensitive and defensive.

I could go on all day really but no... Fascism isn't really the issue.

[Christmas Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I don't think he's a fascist. I think he seeks popularity (amongst those already on his coat tails) but is ultimately self-serving under the guise of populism. I think he is deluded and unintelligent. I think he would LOVE to be totalitarian if he could find a way to get away with it. I think he is probably dangerous and a narcissist. I don't think he expected or particularly wanted to win the presidency and now has very little idea what he's supposed to be doing, and is essentially winging it.

On a personal level I find him and his mannerisms intensely irritating. I find him to be a terrible, unconvincing and disingenuous public speaker. He is over-sensitive and defensive.

I could go on all day really but no... Fascism isn't really the issue.

So who do you like?

Its easy to identify problems but not so easy to solve them, who is your fave..Cameron, Brown, May, Bill Clinton?

Slagging of Trump is easy, popular and somewhat predictable. But you have no album or record to sell so say who you admire

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

So who do you like?

Its easy to identify problems but not so easy to solve them, who is your fave..Cameron, Brown, May, Bill Clinton?

Slagging of Trump is easy, popular and somewhat predictable. But you have no album or record to sell so say who you admire

I'm sure I clarified just yesterday that I think it's all a load of horse ****? That doesn't mean I have to pretend that Trump is something he isn't. Sure he shakes up the status quo, a bit, sort of... That doesn't mean he isn't everything I said above .

[Christmas Dynamo]

Trump is exactly what politics needs

Fake, pc lies, say not what you think but what you think you should say, doublespeak, lies, virtue signalling

id rather have trump and his vanity than clinton and her utter lies, contempt and entitlement

[Toy Soldier]

The fact that Trumps lies are pettier and more obvious doesn't mean he isn't a liar?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I don't think he's a fascist. I think he seeks popularity (amongst those already on his coat tails) but is ultimately self-serving under the guise of populism. I think he is deluded and unintelligent. I think he would LOVE to be totalitarian if he could find a way to get away with it. I think he is probably dangerous and a narcissist. I don't think he expected or particularly wanted to win the presidency and now has very little idea what he's supposed to be doing, and is essentially winging it.

On a personal level I find him and his mannerisms intensely irritating. I find him to be a terrible, unconvincing and disingenuous public speaker. He is over-sensitive and defensive.

I could go on all day really but no... Fascism isn't really the issue.

I do agree that he didn't expect or want to win , was probably more shocked than most and probably questiond what the **** he had done. But he is having to get on with it. That said - he was/is an improvement on the only opposition.

He is not an accomplished and disingenuous politician and puts his foot in it constantly, but I prefer that bumbling inexperienced novice to the hard-nosed, scheming and downright devious professional Clinton, any day. Professional con-artist out to line her own pockets, more my idea of madness.

[Christmas Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I do agree that he didn't expect or want to win , was probably more shocked than most and probably questiond what the **** he had done. But he is having to get on with it. That said - he was/is an improvement on the only opposition.

He is not an accomplished and disingenuous politician and puts his foot in it constantly, but I prefer that bumbling inexperienced novice to the hard-nosed, scheming and downright devious professional Clinton, any day. Professional con-artist out to line her own pockets, more my idea of madness.

exactly, look at cameron

a snake oil salesman that sh1t his pants the second the public disagreed with him, or Blair

be careful who you wish for

[arista]

Well Done President Trump

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

He is not an accomplished and disingenuous politician and puts his foot in it constantly, but I prefer that bumbling inexperienced novice to the hard-nosed, scheming and downright devious professional Clinton, any day. Professional con-artist out to line her own pockets, more my idea of madness.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

exactly, look at cameron

a snake oil salesman that sh1t his pants the second the public disagreed with him, or Blair

be careful who you wish for

And yet Corbyn has been roundly mocked on these forums for not being "PM material" and for not toeing the line, and people were all over Milliband for being weird while eating a sandwich and "Having a weird voice and making odd faces when he talks" because you couldn't have that as a respectable PM. Hmmmmm how very odd... It's almost like the criteria morphs and changes with each situation based on other political factors and leanings

[Christmas Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

And yet Corbyn has been roundly mocked on these forums for not being "PM material" and for not toeing the line, and people were all over Milliband for being weird while eating a sandwich and "Having a weird voice and making odd faces when he talks" because you couldn't have that as a respectable PM. Hmmmmm how very odd... It's almost like the criteria morphs and changes with each situation based on other political factors and leanings

lol, every person who puts their neck on the line gets this

Trump gets called the worst things by this forum and do you know why because people know that on here everyone will agree with them so they feel emboldened to be vile and mean

Its just mob rule tbh

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

lol, every person who puts their neck on the line gets this

Trump gets called the worst things by this forum and do you know why because people know that on here everyone will agree with them so they feel emboldened to be vile and mean

Its just mob rule tbh

Wah wah the kids are ganging up on me and my friend Trump!

For one, your numbers are off, I can think of at least 6 SD regulars who are largely pro-trump and probably a similar number who are vocally anti-trump (as in, make posts longer than a few sentences) with another handful in the middle. SD doesn't have very many hugely active members? For example, in this thread there are three clearly pro Trump members and only two who are not. You are perceiving a numbers advantage that simply doesn't exist. Don't confuse the weakness of your troops for being outnumbered .

For two, even if you were outnumbered, the strength of your argument shouldn't rely on how many people are backing it up. It's a linear forum, someone reading the threads top to bottom will see and read your post if it is worth reading, you can't be "drowned out" and your argument, if it's worth it's salt, should stand on its own two feet no matter how many people are countering it.

Some of us aren't counting. I for one will happily engage in a thread where everyone you think is on "my side" is banned from posting, and you can have ALL of your pro Trump "mob". You'll probably still be whining about mob rule because it's an easy excuse for a weak argument .

[arista]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

And yet Corbyn has been roundly mocked on these forums for not being "PM material" and for not toeing the line, and people were all over Milliband for being weird while eating a sandwich and "Having a weird voice and making odd faces when he talks" because you couldn't have that as a respectable PM. Hmmmmm how very odd... It's almost like the criteria morphs and changes with each situation based on other political factors and leanings

Yes TS Ed M
with too weird - Well done
Russell Brand for asking him to sit with him Live on camera...........


I am aware that Corbyn can become the PM
if the EU mess goes onto May 2020 - which is not that long away
as then the General Election
Can be Vote Corbyn - stay in the EU etc

Shocking idea
but he can be PM.




I called the Conservative /LibDem power
on this forum in late 2009



Feel The Force

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

And yet Corbyn has been roundly mocked on these forums for not being "PM material" and for not toeing the line, and people were all over Milliband for being weird while eating a sandwich and "Having a weird voice and making odd faces when he talks" because you couldn't have that as a respectable PM. Hmmmmm how very odd... It's almost like the criteria morphs and changes with each situation based on other political factors and leanings

The difference being that Corbyn and Milliband are experienced politicians, Trump isn't. He likely put himself up against Clinton in protest against the lack of any viable choice and to prove a point.

Against the odds he won and found himself with the most powerful job in the world. How could there not be teething problems when even so-called professionals mess up all the time.

Totally unreasonable and just a witchhunt form all those Trump haters and sore Clinton losers. The guy really does have the fight of his life ahead of him with all that hate. Not a position most people would want to be in.

[Christmas Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

The difference being that Corbyn and Milliband are experienced politicians, Trump isn't. He likely put himself up against Clinton in protest against the lack of any viable choice and to prove a point.

Against the odds he won and found himself with the most powerful job in the world. How could there not be teething problems when even so-called professionals mess up all the time.

Totally unreasonable and just a witchhunt form all those Trump haters and sore Clinton losers. The guy really does have the fight of his life ahead of him with all that hate. Not a position most people would want to be in.

same as brexit, people hate losing and hate being wrong so by slagging off both it makes them feel better about themselves and the fact their POV is not shared by the majority

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

same as brexit, people hate losing and hate being wrong so by slagging off both it makes them feel better about themselves and the fact their POV is not shared by the majority

Its just bollocks LT, the point is that most people DON'T have to feel like their opinion is shared by the majority and therefore, just because the majority cotes for something, does not mean that opinions change to match. Personally I'd start to worry a bit if many of my opinions were shared by the public majority... I mean... look at them.

People "slag off" Brexit and Trump because they think they were bad decisions, bad for their countries, bad for the world. Trump is a little harder to take a concrete stance on there because Clinton would also have been bad news. Though what some fail to understand is that Clinton being bad news doesn't somehow make Trump GOOD news.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Its just bollocks LT, the point is that most people DON'T have to feel like their opinion is shared by the majority and therefore, just because the majority cotes for something, does not mean that opinions change to match. Personally I'd start to worry a bit if many of my opinions were shared by the public majority... I mean... look at them.

People "slag off" Brexit and Trump because they think they were bad decisions, bad for their countries, bad for the world. Trump is a little harder to take a concrete stance on there because Clinton would also have been bad news. Though what some fail to understand is that Clinton being bad news doesn't somehow make Trump GOOD news.

I don't know about anyone else but I didn't say he was a good choice, he was the only choice considering. Good or bad - too early to say, what I do know is that he isn't being given a fair go by some due to their pre-conceptions of him as a person and his strong presentation of his views.

His hard line on immigration is popular with many, same with Brexit, which clearly demonstrates problems with enforced immigration and people not being asked their opinions on this despite being very much affected by it - It is undemocratic and a democratic vote had its say.

[Christmas Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Wah wah the kids are ganging up on me and my friend Trump!

For one, your numbers are off, I can think of at least 6 SD regulars who are largely pro-trump and probably a similar number who are vocally anti-trump (as in, make posts longer than a few sentences) with another handful in the middle. SD doesn't have very many hugely active members? For example, in this thread there are three clearly pro Trump members and only two who are not. You are perceiving a numbers advantage that simply doesn't exist. Don't confuse the weakness of your troops for being outnumbered .

For two, even if you were outnumbered, the strength of your argument shouldn't rely on how many people are backing it up. It's a linear forum, someone reading the threads top to bottom will see and read your post if it is worth reading, you can't be "drowned out" and your argument, if it's worth it's salt, should stand on its own two feet no matter how many people are countering it.

Some of us aren't counting. I for one will happily engage in a thread where everyone you think is on "my side" is banned from posting, and you can have ALL of your pro Trump "mob". You'll probably still be whining about mob rule because it's an easy excuse for a weak argument .

You are beginning to sound like DR with your pigeon hole obsession

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

every person who puts their neck on the line gets this

people know that on here everyone will agree with them

Its just mob rule tbh

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

You are beginning to sound like DR with your pigeon hole obsession

No one pigeonholing here except you LT . If you believe that one big "side" is ganging up on your "side" because there are "more of them".