[Smithy]

Good or Bad?

What’s TiBBs opinion?

[Crimson Dynamo]

can you explain the source and what political? agenda he has and why we should pay attention to his view?

is he british?

[Crimson Dynamo]

seems a very bias start to a debate?

[DouglasS]

Very good

That incredibly ridiculous diagram including extremely minor details like “pet passport” and “border checks” to try and fill up a diagram to make it look like we have lost loads

When in reality all the important details such as being able to study in the EU, trade deals , tariffs, fisheries count as just one detail (almost as if it’s equivalent to having a pet passport )

I think most people with a brain can see past that ridiculous tweet.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

Very good

That incredibly ridiculous diagram including extremely minor details like “pet passport” and “border checks” to try and fill up a diagram to make it look like we have lost loads

When in reality all the important details such as being able to study in the EU, trade deals , tariffs, fisheries count as just one detail (almost as if it’s equivalent to having a pet passport )

I think most people with a brain can see past that ridiculous tweet.

what is most concerning is that the extreme left twitter person works for sky news..

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

Very good

That incredibly ridiculous diagram including extremely minor details like “pet passport” and “border checks” to try and fill up a diagram to make it look like we have lost loads

When in reality all the important details such as being able to study in the EU, trade deals , tariffs, fisheries count as just one detail (almost as if it’s equivalent to having a pet passport )

I think most people with a brain can see past that ridiculous tweet.

Minor details like giving away rights, for a fisheries industry that employs only 10k people.

When people wonder how propaganda works, the UK's recent obsession with fish we don't eat should be studied by future generations.

[Braden]

Yeah, I don't think the chart depicts an accurate representation of what the deal fully entails.

Honestly, I don't think we can judge too much until we can analyse the effects years down the line.

[Smithy]

The tweet I posted is the only concise image I’ve seen, if people have others feel free to post them and I’ll update the OP with them *


*unless you’re on my ignore list

[Braden]

Originally Posted by Smithy

The tweet I posted is the only concise image I’ve seen, if people have others feel free to post them and I’ll update the OP with them *


*unless you’re on my ignore list

The document is said to be 2,000 pages long, so that's a lot to put in one image

[UserSince2005]

having read every page I can confirm it is an excellent deal and we will crush the EU in trade and win.

[Tom4784]

From what I understand, the deal isn't dramatically different from the one that May was offered, and if that's the case, this whole process since then has just been a pantomine of propaganda to massage Boris' ego and to cement an incredibly gullible public's hero worship of him.

[Withano]

Very good if you like a load of your rights taken away. Which honestly, I’m starting to think right-wing people do. Like a fetish or sumin idk.

Otherwise bad.

[joeysteele]

I don't like voting I don't know, however I'd have preferred a midway 'fair' deal option.

I think it's better than I expected from Johnson and his government with so many Con MPs preferring no deal.

I'm glad no deal is out.
So I'm glad Johnson only in the last short few weeks pushed for a deal.

The only really good deal was the one we already had with the EU, in my view.

I'll settle for this because for me no deal was unthinkable.

I'm just glad those hard-line Con MPs didn't get their way on no deal.
So in my view this was likely the best deal we'd get via Johnson and his Ministers.
The EU seem content and that's a plus for me too.

[Nicky91]

it is a good deal

win-win scenario for both sides i guess

[bots]

the definition of a good deal is when both sides of the negotiation are happy with the deal that they negotiated. If either side were not happy then it would have been a bad deal

[Cherie]

I guess if you voted for Brexit in the first place you would say it was bad or even worse didn’t vote at all because you thought someone else would do your job for you, end of the day its a deal, I can only imagine the hand wringing if the UK went out on no deal

Waves Irish passport

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I guess if you voted for Brexit in the first place you would say it was bad or even worse didn’t vote at all because you thought someone else would do your job for you, end of the day its a deal, I can only imagine the hand wringing if the UK went out on no deal

Waves Irish passport :smug:

Is Mr C Irish too?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Is Mr C Irish too?

yup and the kids

Nigel who?

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Cherie

yup and the kids

Nigel who?

Lucky you

[Cherie]

can I ask those who say its a bad deal, are you actively lobbying your MP to vote it down

obviously remainers would have preferred the deal we had, what we are voting on above is what is happening now and the will of the people being enacted which is what I would have expected if remain had won

[DouglasS]

Originally Posted by Cherie

can I ask those who say its a bad deal, are you actively lobbying your MP to vote it down

obviously remainers would have preferred the deal we had, what we are voting on above is what is happening now and the will of the people being enacted which is what I would have expected if remain had won

You know if labour had been in power and the exact same deal occurred they’d be singing how fantastic this deal is

The diagram also wouldn’t be incredibly biased and would be purely green ticks. “Pet passports” wouldn’t be on there

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

You know if labour had been in power and the exact same deal occurred they’d be singing how fantastic this deal is

The diagram also wouldn’t be incredibly biased and would be purely green ticks. “Pet passports” wouldn’t be on there

There was no fantastic deal available to either party, so this is BS (especially when you consider my constant criticism of the labour party). We had the best deal and negotiated to give ourselves a far worse deal. If you think that's worth a celebration, then it's ideological not fact-based.

The diagram was put out out by the EU - it's simplistic but accurate. The whole brexit campaign was run on slogans based on lies which I don't ever remember being criticised by brexit supporters for either lies or being biased.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

You know if labour had been in power and the exact same deal occurred they’d be singing how fantastic this deal is

The diagram also wouldn’t be incredibly biased and would be purely green ticks. “Pet passports” wouldn’t be on there

In the realm of what ifs which I'm happy to partake in.

This deal would never have been the final deal of Labour or a coalition led by Labour.
No way.

Labour always would have wanted to include close ties to the single market and customs union.
So the issues and stumbling blocks would not have been there with the EU in the first place.

This deal is better than I expected from Johnson and his government, then again any deal seeing off no deal was preferable to me.

The deal would have never gone to the last week, or needed to, had Labour with other Parties been negotiating.
It wouldn't have been this deal however..

However too, yes, I'd support this deal if I was an MP, because I detested every thought of an even possible no deal.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Cherie

can I ask those who say its a bad deal, are you actively lobbying your MP to vote it down

obviously remainers would have preferred the deal we had, what we are voting on above is what is happening now and the will of the people being enacted which is what I would have expected if remain had won

I have a tory MP, but if I had a labour MP I would. Not because I want a no-deal, but because labour should be in opposition, not unnecessarily rubber stamping things that harm the country.

The tories have enough votes to pass it, so this should be left with only their hands all over it. Starmer will be rightly criticising this deal early in the new year, just a month after telling his own party to vote for it. But then Starmer is just as shameless as anyone in the tory cabinet.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

can I ask those who say its a bad deal, are you actively lobbying your MP to vote it down

obviously remainers would have preferred the deal we had, what we are voting on above is what is happening now and the will of the people being enacted which is what I would have expected if remain had won

There's no point, our MP is a tory rat that votes with the party regardless of the harm it does to the area. He doesn't give a **** because the morons keep voting him back in.

MPs don't have to listen when they know people will vote for them regardless.