[Santa Goth]

I know that all three of them have made controversial political comments either in their VT's or in the house.

But am I the only one that can see that all three of them are (imo) decent people that might not necessarily have the most vanilla views politically?

Especially with Nathan and Daze, I've disagreed with both of them politically in different debates but I still like both of them.

I feel like the art of liking people with opposing views to your own is slowly getting lost in society sadly, and BB is just showing this in a more light entertainment form.

What do you guys think?

[GlitterUK]

I really like Nathan and Ryan. Not feeling the love for Daze yet, she seems to want to force her opinion on people and always seems ready for a battle than being relaxed, although she does look relaxed on live in the hottub with Lily.

[vesavius]

I swear I just responded to this thread...

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by vesavius

I swear I just responded to this thread...

Possibly removed for some reason


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[JingleJones89]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I know that all three of them have made controversial political comments either in their VT's or in the house.

But am I the only one that can see that all three of them are (imo) decent people that might not necessarily have the most vanilla views politically?

Especially with Nathan and Daze, I've disagreed with both of them politically in different debates but I still like both of them.

I feel like the art of liking people with opposing views to your own is slowly getting lost in society sadly, and BB is just showing this in a more light entertainment form.

What do you guys think?

I like Nathan and Ryan. Daze not so much at the moment and not just because she’s a climate change activist, i just get strange vibes from her

[Christmas Spirit]

I'm still not sure about Nathan, he comes across a bit smug. Daze is going to be up for eviction next week ,I can just tell. I was a fan of Daze ,but the constant political debates are getting boring, and the fact neither Daze & Nathan will back down.. is frustrating.

Obviously it's good to have discussions & different of opinions,but judging by L & L exclusive clip, it's yet again another case of " yes it is " & " no it isn't" , from both of them ...they might aswell just both agree to disagree.

I want to see more of the fun side of Daze , Ryan is showing a fun side now .

[Santa Goth]

Originally Posted by GlitterUK

I really like Nathan and Ryan. Not feeling the love for Daze yet, she seems to want to force her opinion on people and always seems ready for a battle than being relaxed, although she does look relaxed on live in the hottub with Lily.

I think that Daze is apart of a generation that has grew up thinking that forcing their opinions on other people is okay, unfortunately.

[Cranbenny Jamin]

Nathan I quite like as he seems interesting and funny. I don’t agree with all his political views, but he speaks about them in a rationale manner and isn’t trying to force them on anyone.

Daze I thought I’d like but I can’t warm to her yet. She seems very one-dimensional and lacking in any interesting characteristic so far - all I know about her is she’s passionate about climate change.

Ryan lost me at calling himself ‘the people’s champ’ in his VT. I probably could have moved on from this but he’s shown little effort in wanting to actually be on the show or get involved. The lie task he barely could speak, he gave up in the hand up task within 5 minutes, the shopping task he tried to ruin for them all in the first hour. He seems like one of those annoying class-clown adults which think they’re more funny than they are.

[joeysteele]

I don't dislike any of these 3.
I've warmed to Ryan since launch night.

Nathan I like so far, he'd be in my first 3 so far.

(There's only really one I have negative feelings for and that's Marcello)

Daze isn't likey to be a favourite I doubt but I don't really dislike her.
I really enjoy the debating she engages in with Nathan.

It's still very early days though, who knows what they may be like in a week or two even.

[Christmas Dynamo]

what "controversial opinions" has Ryan or Nathan made?

[Tinsel balls]

I like Nathan,not keen on Daze as for Ryan he's ok.

[Pigeon Lady]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

Nathan I quite like as he seems interesting and funny. I don’t agree with all his political views, but he speaks about them in a rationale manner and isn’t trying to force them on anyone.

Daze I thought I’d like but I can’t warm to her yet. She seems very one-dimensional and lacking in any interesting characteristic so far - all I know about her is she’s passionate about climate change.

Ryan lost me at calling himself ‘the people’s champ’ in his VT. I probably could have moved on from this but he’s shown little effort in wanting to actually be on the show or get involved. The lie task he barely could speak, he gave up in the hand up task within 5 minutes, the shopping task he tried to ruin for them all in the first hour. He seems like one of those annoying class-clown adults which think they’re more funny than they are.

…I think for me, it’s that difference between passion and preachy …passion can engage attention and enthusiasm, whereas preachiness switches off from it and it all gets lost…it’s sad because it’s just about how she’s presenting what she believes in …Nathan is a bit of a contrast to that because I don’t always share the same views, either but I always find him someone who puts his points across very well…

[Frostie!]

I like Daze a lot.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Possibly removed for some reason

Well, yeah, it's just odd.

But, to repeat...

Like Nathan, he seems like a good chap.

Ryan is ok, but I think we aren't seeing the best of him because of him being rattled by his experience so far.

I don't consider anything that these two have said 'controversial'.

Daze is awful. As I said elsewhere, she's arrogant and manipulative and convinced that she knows better than everyone else.

[The Grinch]

Nathan is fine, I don’t mind him much. Ryan is a tad dull (not seen yesterday’s episode yet though) and Daze, ok so, I hope she isn’t going be my way or the high way, however, I’m liking her so far.

[Zizu]

Yes


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[Rustic bauble]

I like Nathan and Ryan...not keen on Daze.

[MaRuDolph]

Daze's issue for me is not her political beliefs, but rather her narcissistic streak.

Unfortunately, there is a common thread among hyper-obsessed political folk where their agenda is often crafted around pinpointing oneself as being the most virtuous, self-elected and most holistic practitioner in the room when it comes to general reasoning. I tend to see the personality defects at play there more and unfortunately the projections being crafted there are usually shallow.

I generally disagree that society prefers vanilla discourse or views. I think it's more that normal people are often being talked down to like children from either respective side of the spectrum. Especially as the spectrum itself is barely even acknowledged now by these fringes. One is either pegged as "this" or "that'. No room for everlasting happiness but plenty of room for the most grim assessments of opposing thought when it comes time to disagree.

The left often gets a lot of points for misbehavior, but the right will punish others with vitriol for holding particular views when it doesn't like how something is said. The most staunch have to have their needs and expectations constantly met in order to feel properly acknowledged in any disagreement. This aspect is narcissistic and very needy.

So I'd argue it's really the fringes of these collectives that can't handle disagreement or take criticism well. The average person can deal with nuance in their lives just fine, mainly because they generally have to. They pay the taxes and face the consequences of these debates most directly. They have to make do the most with any deviations in intellectual diversity and its resulting cultural shifts. And good luck to the person who says to the one on the fringe to double check their own math. People like Daze are all too happy to continue to work out life with a hastily self-crafted abacus. Truth be told, a good portion of these folk hardly truly care what regular folk think anyway or what they go through on a personal level or even a daily basis, and that perception isn't hardly helped by the never-ending victim mentality or grim behavior that results from it. Not until it becomes something to get people to vote or act on their behalf, does it even seem to register that the middle majority might actually offer perspectives of value.

Re: Ryan, he came off a bit childish this past episode but I think he could do fine if he doesn't get evicted. Too soon to tell, but I still find him likable.

I don't know enough about Nathan to fully assess him yet. Unfortunately, politics is not a personality for me so it's not as critical in deciding how I might feel about an HM. Sometimes people break their own mold, sometimes unintentionally, because the game forces them out of one's respective box. That is what makes an HM interesting for me is how much they willingly allow that to occur... and if they fight that process, what quality of character can *that* reveal, good and bad?

So I think Nathan could be interesting—as a person, not a party—but too early to tell. Ryan could just need some settling in, but needs to avoid eviction first. Daze, like many narcissists who continuously face existential psychological injury, only has a few tricks up their sleeve personality-wise imo and will remain kiddie pool tier for me. Whatever streak she chooses to take next, she will either loved or hated for those qualities, but her motives will always be purely self-referential. Some people take better to narcs. I just see broken people who treat others like supply and miss out on the generous social opportunities that life continues to just toss at their feet. Sometimes it is missed, but generally misrecognized, because they're too invested in their own pursuits for flattery and praise... So Marcello, basically.

[Santa Goth]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

what "controversial opinions" has Ryan or Nathan made?

Ryan and Nathan have both made comments that will be controversial with some people.

[Cranbred Goose]

Is Daze the one who complained about the comparative lack of black therapists (which is absolutely a fair point)? I haven’t had time to get into this series yet.

[Santa Goth]

Originally Posted by Redway

Is Daze the one who complained about the comparative lack of black therapists (which is absolutely a fair point)? I haven’t had time to get into this series yet.

That's her.

I actually like her so far, but I understand why some people wouldn't tbf.

[MrXmasXmas]

I find Nathan interesting. I just think he needs to calm down the whole Farage thing. Politics isn't everyone's bag. It's about knowing your audience. Great for a conversation with like minded people but other than that I mean nobody should be shut down for their political views but I just think there's a time and a place.. ..

Daze is quite opinionated. She tends to talk about her experiences but doesn't seem to be interested in others. For instance she was talking to Nathan about poverty etc. She sort ot cut him down asking had he experienced such hardship? He retorted "Have you"? She said "no" but went on to say she had spoken to people who had. Doesn't make his views any less regardless. Don't assume..

I don't agree with her stance on the Royal Family. I think she needs to see the bigger picture. Not going there pesently anyway.

Ryan wanted to upset the apple cart. He was funny in certain aspects but didn't think about how it would affect the whole house. Losing tasks and the shopping budget. Might be funny in the first week but when they're getting hungry they might think differently.

Doesn't seem much chance of that though with takeaways coming in etc. It needs to get much more cruel. They're having it much too easy atm.

[Pigeon Lady]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

I find Nathan interesting. I just think he needs to calm down the whole Farage thing. Politics isn't everyone's bag. It's about knowing your audience. Great for a conversation with like minded people but other than that I mean nobody should be shut down for their political views but I just think there's a time and a place.. ..

Daze is quite opinionated. She tends to talk about her experiences but doesn't seem to be interested in others. For instance she was talking to Nathan about poverty etc. She sort ot cut him down asking had he experienced such hardship? He retorted "Have you"? She said "no" but went on to say she had spoken to people who had. Doesn't make his views any less regardless. Don't assume..

I don't agree with her stance on the Royal Family. I think she needs to see the bigger picture. Not going there pesently anyway.

Ryan wanted to upset the apple cart. He was funny in certain aspects but didn't think about how it would affect the whole house. Losing tasks and the shopping budget. Might be funny in the first week but when they're getting hungry they might think differently.

Doesn't seem much chance of that though with takeaways coming in etc. It needs to get much more cruel. They're having it much too easy atm.

…I agree that it’s all too easy atm, Lily’s reaction to having a Chinese Takeaway was just silly as they’ve only been there a few days and been eating regular meals etc…back in the day what created the interest was when the divides became divides with significant living differences and that’s part of personalities emerging…I also feel the same about Nathan, I was thinking that yesterday…I like how he puts his thoughts across and like him as a housemate…I think he has a lot to offer but we’re all a bit politics-ed out atm so I personally would rather hear conversations of other aspects of life more…

[Christmas Spirit]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…I agree that it’s all too easy atm, Lily’s reaction to having a Chinese Takeaway was just silly as they’ve only been there a few days and been eating regular meals etc…back in the day what created the interest was when the divides became divides with significant living differences and that’s part of personalities emerging…I also feel the same about Nathan, I was thinking that yesterday…I like how he puts his thoughts across and like him as a housemate…I think he has a lot to offer but we’re all a bit politics-ed out atm so I personally would rather hear conversations of other aspects of life more…

Yeah if I hear Farage's name again ,then I'm going to mute my volume when Nathan speaks . Surely there's more to his life than his man crush on Farage.

[Cherie Christmas]

I didn't mind any of the 3, I think Ryan might have been a half decent hm given a chance