[Petershaw1984]

I have re watched Monday nights episode 3 times now and I've also watched bots.
At first I felt that Denise was the bad one and she was at fault for everything I now have changed my opinion and feel that I had already had my mind up by the many threads about Sunday nights "fight" and the many anti Denise threads being bandered about.

In my opinion the twins were In the wrong for reacting like they did, although they did simmer down once they had had there camera time.
Nicola was the worst for me, she was trying to involve others in the fight but to no avail so decided to scream and shout alas Micky Graham at the top of the stairs then she pissed off into the bedroom and cried whilst looking at the letter from home, knowing fully well the cameras were on her.

Denise was the only housemate that seemed to show any emotion, well any real emotion anyway.

However much Denise seems to be a wreck when drunk I've realised that aren't most people?

Another thing about that night was the apparent saviour that was frankie. Did I hear right that the boys were telling him not to say anything etc and frankie just turned around and said I'm just winding them up?

It seemed to me that the 3 popular girls in school were attacking the lesser popular girl. Paramount to bullying
I'm not condoning the pants pull. However as has been posted before one of the twins had already lifted her top up and you could say the twins are a little promiscuous to say the least.

So Denise I sorry and I hope you win now.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by pio5ukuk

I have re watched Monday nights episode 3 times now and I've also watched bots.
At first I felt that Denise was the bad one and she was at fault for everything I now have changed my opinion and feel that I had already had my mind up by the many threads about Sunday nights "fight" and the many anti Denise threads being bandered about.

In my opinion the twins were In the wrong for reacting like they did, although they did simmer down once they had had there camera time.
Nicola was the worst for me, she was trying to involve others in the fight but to no avail so decided to scream and shout alas Micky Graham at the top of the stairs then she pissed off into the bedroom and cried whilst looking at the letter from home, knowing fully well the cameras were on her.

Denise was the only housemate that seemed to show any emotion, well any real emotion anyway.

However much Denise seems to be a wreck when drunk I've realised that aren't most people?

Another thing about that night was the apparent saviour that was frankie. Did I hear right that the boys were telling him not to say anything etc and frankie just turned around and said I'm just winding them up?

It seemed to me that the 3 popular girls in school were attacking the lesser popular girl. Paramount to bullying
I'm not condoning the pants pull. However as has been posted before one of the twins had already lifted her top up and you could say the twins are a little promiscuous to say the least.

So Denise I sorry and I hope you win now.

You have seen the light !!!! and I agree 100% it was sheer bullying 3 onto 1 is always bullying and at one time I thought one of the twins(white jumper) was going to hit her, she got very close to her face ,can you imagine the boos these 3 are going to get tomorrow night?I wonder if they will say its canned boos as they did last week ,and yet they have both said they expect it to be Denise and Frankie out tomorrow !! how arrogant ? do they think the public will defend their actions? if they do they are in for a BIG shock

I'm not sure you've been dramatic enough. Try again.

[Petershaw1984]

I really do think that tomorrows eviction will be the twins and Nicola .I really can't wait chuff. That would really make my day , I want Denise to win now and I think she will as people will feel sorry for her.

I'm sorry to you aswell chuff cos I feel like I was a bit ****ty with you, and if you knew me in person then you would know I'm not like that.

I feel like a reformed man. Lol

[Petershaw1984]

I really do think that tomorrows eviction will be the twins and Nicola .I really can't wait chuff. That would really make my day , I want Denise to win now and I think she will as people will feel sorry for her.

I'm sorry to you aswell chuff cos I feel like I was a bit ****ty with you, and if you knew me in person then you would know I'm not like that.

I feel like a reformed man. Lol

[Petershaw1984]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

I'm not sure you've been dramatic enough. Try again.

Jesus! Get over yourself

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by pio5ukuk

I really do think that tomorrows eviction will be the twins and Nicola .I really can't wait chuff. That would really make my day , I want Denise to win now and I think she will as people will feel sorry for her.

I'm sorry to you aswell chuff cos I feel like I was a bit ****ty with you, and if you knew me in person then you would know I'm not like that.

I feel like a reformed man. Lol

No you have not ,we all have a right to our own minds, its what makes us,us, I think security will be stepped up as it was for Makowsis eviction ,that night it was unreal ,and IMO tomorrow will beat it hands down ,there will be 3 hated hm8s leaving not just one

[karezza]

The twins are shrewd manipulators.

Originally Posted by pio5ukuk

Jesus! Get over yourself

Maybe some caring fm would get over me instead. After all, winning because of pity is the new cool. Who wants to give me some pity-romancing?

[Livia]

The twins had drunk as much as Denise. Maybe they were wrecks too? They'd all drunk a lot. Denise was wrong to do what she did - she'd been drinking. The twins went way over the top with their reaction, as did Nicola - they'd ALL been drinking.

[Scotty07]

Poor Denise, she misses in her words "Gang of 3" and now she is suddenly another BB victim of bullying.

[smudgie]

Don't feel ike a fool, we are all human. I don't feel a fool changing my mind about Frankie.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Maybe some caring fm would get over me instead. After all, winning because of pity is the new cool. Who wants to give me some pity-romancing?

Shilpa was glad of the"pity win" as lets face it without pity she would never have won ,Denise is a totally different scenario Denise HAS been bullied ,and her votes will be because people want to show Nicola,Twins and Michael that bullies never win

Changing your mind shows intelligence, and shows you are open to new information.

[Jezzy]

Chuff, we will have to disagree on this one, because I think Denise is as much of a "bully" as she has been "bullied".

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Jezzy

Chuff, we will have to disagree on this one, because I think Denise is as much of a "bully" as she has been "bullied".

NEVER Go wash you mind out young lady !!!!!!!! (joking ,you have your own mind)

[Jackie]

Denise to win

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Jackie

Denise to win

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Shilpa was glad of the"pity win" as lets face it without pity she would never have won ,Denise is a totally different scenario Denise HAS been bullied ,and her votes will be because people want to show Nicola,Twins and Michael that bullies never win

Shilpa won so we, as a country, could try and right some wrongs inflicted upon her in the house. The Shilpa case is very different to Denise. The whole racism issue was massive in the whole country

Denise has been bullied? I don't think she has at all. Michael did his best to avoid her, but she kept picking away at him bit by bit.

Denise instigated it last night. The twins were too dramatic, but there was no bullying.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Shilpa won so we, as a country, could try and right some wrongs inflicted upon her in the house. The Shilpa case is very different to Denise. The whole racism issue was massive in the whole country

Denise has been bullied? I don't think she has at all. Michael did his best to avoid her, but she kept picking away at him bit by bit.

Denise instigated it last night. The twins were too dramatic, but there was no bullying.

Im not getting into this with you ,but there was NO racism ,the day a "poppadom" becomes a race i will show my ass in Woolies window,thats the last im saying on this subject "Right the wrongs inflicted on her"

[Incensed]

Originally Posted by Livia

The twins had drunk as much as Denise. Maybe they were wrecks too? They'd all drunk a lot. Denise was wrong to do what she did - she'd been drinking. The twins went way over the top with their reaction, as did Nicola - they'd ALL been drinking.

I totally agree with this 100%

[Ammi]

...so..let me see...if a girl pulls her top up, what she's really doing is saying it's ok for someone else to pull her pants down. In a club, where most would have had a few drinks if I saw a girl pull her top up and flash her bra...she would be giving me permission to pull her pants down, not just me..but anyone that felt like having a drunken laugh. Oh...but this wasn't in a club of about 200 people...this was on National TV..in front of thousands of people...oh, that's different then...

[Monkey Slut]

Right, I'm going to point two things out because it seems nobody is mentioning them and they seem quite important to me:

• After Denise pulled Karissa's pants down, Karissa went into the kitchen, Denise went over, started kissing her, Karissa said she was pissed about it but Denise kind of brushed off how Karissa felt about it and kept saying "you'll forgive me".
• When Nicola was trying to take Kristina outside to calm her down etc, Denise and then Frankie carried on talking, which led to them coming back in and Nicola getting involved.

Basically Denise doesn't realise when to stop, she just carries on and carries on, she did it with Michael and she did it with Nicola and the Twins. If she had stopped when Karissa was in the kitchen, or even when Nicola was taking Kristina outside then it would have been fine but of course, she didn't...so it wasn't.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Monkey Slut

Right, I'm going to point two things out because it seems nobody is mentioning them and they seem quite important to me:

• After Denise pulled Karissa's pants down, Karissa went into the kitchen, Denise went over, started kissing her, Karissa said she was pissed about it but Denise kind of brushed off how Karissa felt about it and kept saying "you'll forgive me".
• When Nicola was trying to take Kristina outside to calm her down etc, Denise and then Frankie carried on talking, which led to them coming back in and Nicola getting involved.

Basically Denise doesn't realise when to stop, she just carries on and carries on, she did it with Michael and she did it with Nicola and the Twins. If she had stopped when Karissa was in the kitchen, or even when Nicola was taking Kristina outside then it would have been fine but of course, she didn't...so it wasn't.

Well said...everything stemmed from Denise's behaviour when she's had a drunk and that she doesn't know where to draw the line....but she's never once accepted any blame or STOPPED drinking ...she keeps on...every ****ing night

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Livia

The twins had drunk as much as Denise. Maybe they were wrecks too? They'd all drunk a lot. Denise was wrong to do what she did - she'd been drinking. The twins went way over the top with their reaction, as did Nicola - they'd ALL been drinking.

I like this post. Although I'm a Denise fan, I've thought about the events of the night and they all demonstrated flaws.