[arista]

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[Fresh NHS strikes by several unions
have been paused after the
government put an extra £2.5 billion
on the table to fund a pay rise for
thousands of healthcare staff.

A government spokesperson
said: "The government... have completed
negotiations and reached a final offer.]


https://news.sky.com/story/nhs-strik...offer-12835466

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-64977269

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[Quantum Boy]

It's a terrible deal. In Scotland they got 12.5% over two years with a large chunk backdated, and lower bands got nearer 20%. Even the middle bands got nearer 15%.

5% is a real-terms pay cut below the rate of inflation. Beginning of the end for The NHS in England.

[joeysteele]

It seems on paper a poor deal really.
I agree with SB.

They deserve much better than this.
What assurances too have been given now as to staffing and the conditions too.

I fear the staff themselves are likely to accept this but must be left in the main, feeling badly let down overall.

[Zizu]

I wonder what that CASH lump sum amounts to ??


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[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I wonder what that CASH lump sum amounts to ??


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1250.00

trivial

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Cherie

1250.00

trivial

To everyone or pro rata based on number of years service or hours per week worked or something ?


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[arista]

Originally Posted by Zizu

To everyone or pro rata based on number of years service or hours per week worked or something ?

Yes, all workers get that one-off payment

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes, all workers get that one-off payment

Ahhh


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[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Zizu

To everyone or pro rata based on number of years service or hours per week worked or something ?


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Originally Posted by arista

Yes, all workers get that one-off payment

It will be a flat amount for all full time staff but I would imagine definitely pro-rata.

[Cherie]

Apparently it will be rejected

[arista]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Apparently it will be rejected

Yes,
many are demanding more

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes,
many are demanding more

well when you compare it to what the bus drivers, barristers, and firefighters got, it is an insult tbf

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Apparently it will be rejected

It'll go to a union members' vote so there's no way to know really.

[Quantum Boy]

Realistically accepting less than 8% would be a disaster and even that would have to come with a commitment to another raise of similar in 2024. There's no point in any of this if they then turn around and offer 1% next year.

[MTVN]

Well the lump sum will equate to effectively being another 3-4% salary rise for most staff

Inflation is supposed to fall to 3% by the end of the year so reality is you're unlikely to get a pay offer much exceeding that from next year

[arista]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

It'll go to a union members' vote so there's no way to know really.

Yes the lump sum

Possibly, could help it win the vote

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Realistically accepting less than 8% would be a disaster and even that would have to come with a commitment to another raise of similar in 2024. There's no point in any of this if they then turn around and offer 1% next year.

Yes.
Rather than the lump sum, which is a one off payment only.

Had they upgraded the current years salary by a further whatever % going forward.

Then put the 5% rise for 2024/25 on top of that .
This would make more sense.

As it is they are getting a one off only payment with no change to the current salary rates.
So the 5% is only on top of this years old salary rate.

Meaning in effect a continued pay cut.

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes the lump sum

Possibly, could help it win the vote

Exactly. People are currently desperate for a boost and will cave for what is essentially a bribe.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

It'll go to a union members' vote so there's no way to know really.

The mood music is that it will be rejected

[Zizu]

We need a different approach to negotiations ..

I choose violence

( Game of Thrones reference - 1 min 37 secs)

https://youtu.be/tt_gPXpx0eo


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[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Zizu

We need a different approach to negotiations ..

I choose violence

( Game of Thrones reference - 1 min 37 secs)

https://youtu.be/tt_gPXpx0eo


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Sadly there are going to be plenty of deaths, because a proper NHS with skilled staff is going to become a thing of the past, so it'll either be an "OK for those who can afford it" system or just a shadow of the NHS staffed by unskilled minimum wage workers. It's been proven time and again that deskilling the NHS = more patient deaths. And refusing to pay a fair salary is going to result in a skills drain very quickly.