[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Hold up? what about Wales and Scotland?

I don't know about Wales, but aren't Scottish universities subsidised by the UK government?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I don't know about Wales, but aren't Scottish universities subsidised by the UK government?

Yes its free to go to Uni in Scotland and it costs a third of what English students pay in Wales....so if Unis are going bust maybe make it fairer across the board for all students

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Yes its free to go to Uni in Scotland and it costs a third of what English students pay in Wales....so if Unis are going bust maybe make it fairer across the board for all students

Undergrad is free for Scottish residents, which is very different to it "being free" - a large amount comes from international students and postgrad studies (which I can assure you are not free).

I agree it should be fair across the board but everyone deserves equal access to higher education without going into large amounts of debt, so personally I would be more in favour of a means-tested system (UK wide) where people pay fees proportionate to income (parent's income for school leavers, individual income for mature student undergrad).

We're already sliding into a hilarious idiocracy of people who believe that you develop the same level of critical thinking skills by becoming a unionised bricklayer as you do with a Redbrick university level education... let's not make it even harder for people to access learning.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Undergrad is free for Scottish residents, which is very different to it "being free" - a large amount comes from international students and postgrad studies (which I can assure you are not free).

I agree it should be fair across the board but everyone deserves equal access to higher education without going into large amounts of debt, so personally I would be more in favour of a means-tested system (UK wide) where people pay fees proportionate to income (parent's income for school leavers, individual income for mature student undergrad).

We're already sliding into a hilarious idiocracy of people who believe that you develop the same level of critical thinking skills by becoming a unionised bricklayer as you do with a Redbrick university level education... let's not make it even harder for people to access learning.

I worked at Imperial College in Postgraduate Education so I am aware of the incredible amounts overseas students pay as well as postgraduates, but for Scottish and Welsh students they dont go into postgraduate education with a 27,000 plus debt which doesn't seem fair ....make it equitable across the board, ask every student to pay 5,000 a year and increase overseas students fees they are eyewatering already but seem content to pay