[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…there are possibly many similar articles …

You should read about "the perfect victim" / "the ideal victim" social theories Ammi. They're not exactly what you describe above but conceptually very close - essentially, it's about the purity of the victim directly influencing how worthy they are of sympathy (or being taken seriously at all). Played a VERY heavy hand in the Depp/Heard trial, for example.

It's usually more strongly applied to women than to men (society being, as a whole, far more forgiving of males) however Jay Slater is a clear example of similar happening with a male -- perhaps because of the severity of his past actions.

[Denver]

His bidy was planted

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Denver

His bidy was planted

Forensically that's very easy to prove or disprove - to put it undelicately... the ground underneath a fresh/decaying corpse gets saturated with fresh corpse juice. They can quickly and easily test if someone died where the body is found.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

You should read about "the perfect victim" / "the ideal victim" social theories Ammi. They're not exactly what you describe above but conceptually very close - essentially, it's about the purity of the victim directly influencing how worthy they are of sympathy (or being taken seriously at all). Played a VERY heavy hand in the Depp/Heard trial, for example.

It's usually more strongly applied to women than to men (society being, as a whole, far more forgiving of males) however Jay Slater is a clear example of similar happening with a male -- perhaps because of the severity of his past actions.

…yeah…(…I think…)…because Jay’s past actions and history of violence would make both him and his family unrelate-able, which kind of throws it all into chaos..and then the power of the internet…as in social media will then all group together in such a negative wave…a bit like the pitchfork scenes in old movies…?…it become like a ‘pack bullying’ almost but it almost become acceptable, its quite weird…I don’t know how it would relate to the Depp/Heard trial but I’ll be interested in that because that in itself had so many areas of ‘uniqueness’…and really engaged public interest with some very strong opinions of it…it really did also become ‘divisive’….

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…yeah…(…I think…)…because Jay’s past actions and history of violence would make both him and his family unrelate-able, which kind of throws it all into chaos..and then the power of the internet…as in social media will then all group together in such a negative wave…a bit like the pitchfork scenes in old movies…?…it become like a ‘pack bullying’ almost but it almost become acceptable, its quite weird…I don’t know how it would relate to the Depp/Heard trial but I’ll be interested in that because that in itself had so many areas of ‘uniqueness’…and really engaged public interest with some very strong opinions of it…it really did also become ‘divisive’….

In short, there's a common attitude both in public and in courts that someone can't be an abuser if they aren't "pure" (i.e. if they've ever done or said anything abusive themselves). People were successfully convinced that Amber Heard "had done bad stuff too" and thus couldn't be a victim of abuse (which, even if true, is incorrect both legally and logically, but that's the whole issue).

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Forensically that's very easy to prove or disprove - to put it undelicately... the ground underneath a fresh/decaying corpse gets saturated with fresh corpse juice. They can quickly and easily test if someone died where the body is found.

Numerous different search parties searched the area yet everyone and the dogs missed him

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Denver

Numerous different search parties searched the area yet everyone and the dogs missed him

If he was murdered I hope there wont be a cover up to protect tourism

I still find it odd that two random men would invite him and him alone back to their gaff, he must have been great company

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

In short, there's a common attitude both in public and in courts that someone can't be an abuser if they aren't "pure" (i.e. if they've ever done or said anything abusive themselves). People were successfully convinced that Amber Heard "had done bad stuff too" and thus couldn't be a victim of abuse (which, even if true, is incorrect both legally and logically, but that's the whole issue).

…oh that sounds so interesting, exactly my thing……I’ll look up some stuff on ‘the perfect victim’…but yeah, I can see how that’s the ‘relatable’ thing, isn’t it…like in Jay’s case when his past meant that he did something that was unrelatable but then his family and entire circle become unrelatable too…I mean, these things don’t apply to everyone on the internet or everyone on social media etc…but it does all become a collective thing and has a huge impact on ‘the victims’ …/…the people that it’s projected toward…

[Gusto Brunt]

I've suspected either he secretly flew home, OR he's been dead since the day he went missing.

[bots]

his body may have been dumped after the search wound down, but realistically, if he fell into an inaccessible location, it could have been years until he was found.

Given he was in the middle of nowhere and off the road, it's unlikely it was foul play

[arista]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...e-terrain.html

[arista]

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[Cherie]

The sad part is the Spanish police wont be interested on whether he died by misadventure, they will close the book on accidental death. Poor Jay if there was no nefarious involvement he made some very bad decisions in a short space of time

[bots]

There isn't going to be much left of a body exposed to extreme heat in the open for nearly a month. Unless he had been shot and it damaged bone, they really have no way of knowing how he met his end

[arista]

It is his clothes
and possessions


But it is a massive drop he could have fallen

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

It is his clothes
and possessions


But it is a massive drop he could have fallen

but there was a road which is well used how did he not encounter anyone, maybe he was seeking shade though hence moving off the road

[bots]

Originally Posted by Cherie

but there was a road which is well used how did he not encounter anyone, maybe he was seeking shade though hence moving off the road

i think he probably did a runner from the house and was keeping off the road so he was hard to find. If he was hitching on the road he is a sitting duck for someone chasing him

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

There isn't going to be much left of a body exposed to extreme heat in the open for nearly a month. Unless he had been shot and it damaged bone, they really have no way of knowing how he met his end

In terms of if he fell down the ravine or was pushed/thrown down the ravine (alive) and left to die then true. As above, it is still forensically possible to discern whether he died where he was found, or if he died elsewhere and was moved later.

I agree with Cherie though - the Tenerife police are not going to look to closely at the details, case will be chalked up to an accidental fall and closed. Tenerife's entire local economy is dependent on party-goers/tourism... the last thing they want is for it to develop a reputation as being violent/dangerous for British youngsters.

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i think he probably did a runner from the house and was keeping off the road so he was hard to find.

I think that's possible but I also think it's possible that he was simply still drunk/high as a kite and had no idea where he was going. We've all wandered off-piste as an inebriated 19 year old and suddenly realised "Hold up I have no clue where I am or how I got here...".

It's just that it'll turn out to be a random KFC in Cumbernauld rather than a remote walking trail.

[Ammi]

…I’ve seen the videos of the area where he was found and it’s so mountainous and treacherous, even for someone used to that type of terrain…it does feel strange that he would choose to take that route unless there was a very specific reason….I read that the autopsy was Tuesday so I presume that it’s meant today…?…not next Tuesday…

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Ammi

I read that the autopsy was Tuesday so I presume that it’s meant today…?…not next Tuesday…

Honestly I don't think it'll be worth the paper it's written on.

[arista]

Police have confirmed the Dead Boy is Jay


All Media

[Livia]

Funny that once he's dead, he's a nice, smiley young man, not the violent thug he was before.