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I trust the people taking them away @Soldier Boy.
I just dont trust the box ticking that's needed for that to happen. It looks to me like the dad had care of the kids(or has care of the kids) and they've went to a neighbours leaving the eldest kids in charge. For them it will be a recurring theme. This time though one of the kids head got injured. Maybe one of the kids, exasperated and confused at there situation caused the injury..who knows! Maybe that's why all the kids were taken away..to find out if one of them needs help. Stupid thing to do, but it's not uncommon for a party going on in one house and the door left open in the other house for the kids to run back and forth. |
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![]() They just missed off inclusivity, equity, and equality, and we would be having the most unoriginal statement of all time. Good going Leeds. ![]()
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Quand il pleut, il pleut
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…huh…?…I don’t get what you’re saying, Mock…there is obviously a huge unrest within a part of the community there atm which is at crises point so the council are saying that they value their Roma community…(…which I think is around 5000 people…)…who are part of the fabric of Leeds…I can’t see the ‘cult speak’ in that…we have a local traveller community here where I am and that has been a part of the community for many years, which surely adds a diversity because it creates understandings and tolerance….obviously not so much in Leeds atm, but that’s the point…to try to resolve what has escalated atm…
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And when it comes to the unrest part, I don't know how that gets resolved when a portion of the Roma community are championing bad parenting? Unless somehow the Leeds City Council can convince them that child neglect (if that report is true) is wrong I don't see a solution in the present. Tbf to the Roma community though, the fact that none of the rioters didn't question why Social Services (a group that normally has it's hands tied behind it's back) is actually proceeding to take the Father's children away from him didn't twig with them that "hey, this guy might just be a bad parent." That's the logic that the Leeds City Council have got to try and fix, because disturbingly there were probably people in Leeds that didn't riot, but secretly agreed with what the rioters were doing.
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…with ‘bad parenting’ …that’s not a label or assumption that I’m going to put on anyone because I feel that I don’t know any of the circumstances of Social Services involvement…again that’s something that has to be worked out with those involved for the safety of the children …but surely to assume any bad parenting or child neglect without having depth of knowledge of a family situation is the very definition of a ‘drone mindset’… |
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1 man remanded in custody until august 19th for arson etc etc.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx0283e887wo |
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This mechanism is happening all the time. Nowhere NEAR enough social workers. |
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One man !?!?!?!? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro |
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Plus less restrictions put on them, because they clearly had to go through a lot of nonsense before even attempting to deal with the parents of either Baby P or Arthur, and then it's the Social Services getting the blame when both cases ended in tragedy.
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I wonder what the arsonists 2 kids were doing while he was out rioting?
As the sole parent all hes done is send another 2 innocent kids into the hands of a Yorkshire care system. |
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Police in Leeds
have Given, a new update Total Arrests are now at 20 SkyNewsHD |
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https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c98qd1qnyp2o
2 more men charged with arson etc etc. Billy Mitchell aged 43 Zamonsty Milan, 30 |
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No SB it is Mark Mitchell, 43, & Zamonsty Milan, 30, From the BBC Link Last edited by arista; 24-07-2024 at 12:02 AM. |
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So there's a new Mitchell Brother in town?
@arista
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…a little more information on the family situation and Social Services interventions that sparked the tensions in that area…
Roma children who were taken into care, sparking unrest in Leeds last week, have been returned to their extended family. Police and social services removed the four children from a house in Harehills on Thursday to prevent them being taken abroad in breach of a court order. The children, aged between eight and 14, had been living with family members since being removed from their parents in April, the family court in Leeds heard on Tuesday. Leeds city council said social workers had been tipped off that there was a plan to take them to either Romania or Cyprus, contrary to a court order stating they could not leave the UK without permission from the local authority. After an assessment by social services on Monday, Judge Helen Trotter-Jackson ruled that the children, who cannot be named for legal reasons, could be looked after by extended family 20 minutes’ walk away from their parents. Relatives at Leeds family court were asked to avoid sharing details of the case on social media and to not take part in public celebrations, amid concerns from the council about the profile of the case. After the ruling, the children’s mother said through her advocate: “I’m glad the children are back with the family.” The court heard the children had been “extremely upset” in their emergency foster placement since Thursday and had not settled. They had been kept together but with carers who were not “culturally matched”. Trotter-Jackson urged the parties involved to put the interests of the children above everything else. “It’s important that everyone focuses on the children’s welfare and taking the temperature down in this case,” she said. She had been told of the father’s threats to go on hunger strike and allegations that members of the Roma community said they would cause further unrest if the children were not returned. “This court will simply not take threats like that into account because our paramount concern is for the welfare of those children and it seems to me if those statements were made, they were not helpful. I would ask everyone to be mindful of their behaviour and put the children first,” she said. She called for calm, adding: “We cannot have the children being upset in the way they were on Thursday.” Social media posts, including from the far-right activist Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, also known as Tommy Robinson, suggesting thousands of Roma people would be gathering in Harehills to cause further unrest, led to delays to court proceedings. Police said 20 people had been arrested after the events on Thursday night in which a police car was flipped on its side and a double-decker bus set on fire. They said 17 of the arrests were directly related to the night’s disorder and three were “because of other issues within the area”. The court heard how the family, whose situation triggered the upheaval, had had no dealings with social services until April, when a seven-month-old baby at the house received an unexplained skull fracture. The parents and grandparents, who lived at the same address, were arrested and later bailed, trigging care proceedings for all the children in the house. Later, a child in the family came forward claiming she had dropped the baby by accident and had not told any adults, court documents revealed. There will be a further hearing in August to decide a more permanent solution for the children’s care. |
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I feel so sorry for those poor police officers (and their families at home worried sick) Looks like about 5 cops surrounded by hundreds of angry people Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro |
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Wrong thread ? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro |
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I think the comparison in the reaction to both when one is a mere social work issue, and one is the slaying of 3 innocent girls if we are lucky..(that hurt saying that) makes this the best place for it.
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