[Beso]

I trust the people taking them away @Soldier Boy.


I just dont trust the box ticking that's needed for that to happen.

It looks to me like the dad had care of the kids(or has care of the kids) and they've went to a neighbours leaving the eldest kids in charge. For them it will be a recurring theme. This time though one of the kids head got injured. Maybe one of the kids, exasperated and confused at there situation caused the injury..who knows! Maybe that's why all the kids were taken away..to find out if one of them needs help.

Stupid thing to do, but it's not uncommon for a party going on in one house and the door left open in the other house for the kids to run back and forth.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…and following on from social services involvement in a matter/concern that was reported within a Roma community family…and what’s said to have sparked the rioting…

Leeds City Council has said it is conducting an "urgent review" of a "family matter" that sparked rioting in the Harehills area.

Home Secretary Yvette Cooper condemned the scenes of violence that were shared widely on social media on Thursday evening.

She warned that perpetrators of the "audacious criminality" would "face the full force of the law".

On Friday, representatives of the Roma community met with Leeds City Council to "express concerns about a family matter" that took place on 18 July.

Previously, police said officers had been called out around 5pm on Thursday "after social workers reported being met with hostility when dealing with a child protection matter".

They said responding officers were attacked, and helped social staff withdraw "to a place of safety".

Following this, disorder escalated into the riots and violence that left a bus burning and a police car flipped over.

On Friday, the council said it had agreed to undertake an urgent review of the case and work with the Romanian and Roma community moving forward.

A council statement added: "The Romanian and Roma community have played a fantastic role in the community and have contributed much to the diversity and richness of the Harehills.

"We want this work to continue, and develop further work that makes Harehills an even better place to work and live.

"The events of last night will not help our community or the family.

"We need to work together with the authorities to ensure that best outcomes for the community, and to ensure our voices are heard at the highest level so we can avoid such scenarios in the future."

Speaking also on Friday evening, Ms Cooper said: "It's important that people can feel safe on their streets and the perpetrators feel the full force of the law.

"We've seen issues around misinformation with police having to respond to a complex child protection issue.

"Many people will have seen on social media some of the shocking scenes of audacious criminality, and that's why it's so important that those people face the full force of the law."

This comes as West Yorkshire Police said they had arrested five people following the riots and scenes of violence.

Officers have said more arrests are expected in the coming days.

The riots, the force said, broke out in the Harehills area on Thursday.

After initially responding, police withdrew from the unrest that escalated into violence, leading to a police vehicle being flipped, rocks and bottles being thrown and several fires set - including a bus being lit on fire.

Assistant Chief Constable Pat Twiggs said: "We continually assessed the situation and took the decision to deploy specialist public order officers who then came under a barrage of bricks and missiles from a large group."

Then, a decision was made to withdraw officers when it became "evident that the police was their sole target", in order to calm tensions.

Read more:
Several arrests made over rioting in Leeds
'Very visible police presence' on streets of Leeds after riot

Residents were warned to stay home as local councillors tried in person and on social media to calm the crowds and ease the disorder.

Green Party councillor for Gipton and Harehills Mothin Ali described the scenes as "absolute mayhem" and called for the community to stay calm after the incident.

Speaking from the scene on Friday, he said: "The scene was absolute mayhem. It was quite chaotic.

"We were trying to shelter the police, act as human shields for the police, because they were there without helmets, without shields, being pelted with bricks and bottles, so we were trying to calm people down and act as a protective barrier."

Mr Ali said local officers had been "fantastic" but he said withdrawing had been the wrong decision.

Leeds City Council are into cult speak I see.

They just missed off inclusivity, equity, and equality, and we would be having the most unoriginal statement of all time.

Good going Leeds.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Leeds City Council are into cult speak I see.

They just missed off inclusivity, equity, and equality, and we would be having the most unoriginal statement of all time.

Good going Leeds.

…huh…?…I don’t get what you’re saying, Mock…there is obviously a huge unrest within a part of the community there atm which is at crises point so the council are saying that they value their Roma community…(…which I think is around 5000 people…)…who are part of the fabric of Leeds…I can’t see the ‘cult speak’ in that…we have a local traveller community here where I am and that has been a part of the community for many years, which surely adds a diversity because it creates understandings and tolerance….obviously not so much in Leeds atm, but that’s the point…to try to resolve what has escalated atm…

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…huh…?…I don’t get what you’re saying, Mock…there is obviously a huge unrest within a part of the community there atm which is at crises point so the council are saying that they value their Roma community…(…which I think is around 5000 people…)…who are part of the fabric of Leeds…I can’t see the ‘cult speak’ in that…we have a local traveller community here where I am and that has been a part of the community for many years, which surely adds a diversity because it creates understandings and tolerance….obviously not so much in Leeds atm, but that’s the point…to try to resolve what has escalated atm…

I'm saying that whenever anyone uses the term "diversity" these days in a bid to appeal to the public (in the Leeds Council's case, for tourism purposes,) it normally tells me that they're a drone with no actual opinions of their own, nor do they have the ability to express themselves in a way that's showing that they have an individual thought of their own.

And when it comes to the unrest part, I don't know how that gets resolved when a portion of the Roma community are championing bad parenting? Unless somehow the Leeds City Council can convince them that child neglect (if that report is true) is wrong I don't see a solution in the present.

Tbf to the Roma community though, the fact that none of the rioters didn't question why Social Services (a group that normally has it's hands tied behind it's back) is actually proceeding to take the Father's children away from him didn't twig with them that "hey, this guy might just be a bad parent."

That's the logic that the Leeds City Council have got to try and fix, because disturbingly there were probably people in Leeds that didn't riot, but secretly agreed with what the rioters were doing.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I'm saying that whenever anyone uses the term "diversity" these days in a bid to appeal to the public (in the Leeds Council's case, for tourism purposes,) it normally tells me that they're a drone with no actual opinions of their own, nor do they have the ability to express themselves in a way that's showing that they have an individual thought of their own.

And when it comes to the unrest part, I don't know how that gets resolved when a portion of the Roma community are championing bad parenting? Unless somehow the Leeds City Council can convince them that child neglect (if that report is true) is wrong I don't see a solution in the present.

Tbf to the Roma community though, the fact that none of the rioters didn't question why Social Services (a group that normally has it's hands tied behind it's back) is actually proceeding to take the Father's children away from him didn't twig with them that "hey, this guy might just be a bad parent."

That's the logic that the Leeds City Council have got to try and fix, because disturbingly there were probably people in Leeds that didn't riot, but secretly agreed with what the rioters were doing.

…but a drone mentality would be not considering the fabric of a community and the importance of so many considerations that would maintain…(…or in this case, again reach…)…a situation of equal trust and a solution so that what’s been happening doesn’t continue …this isn’t about personal opinions of anyone, it’s about a council addressing a volatile situation within their jurisdiction and of course they’d do that, that’s what we’d hope from our councils and to also use ‘calming language’ …

…with ‘bad parenting’ …that’s not a label or assumption that I’m going to put on anyone because I feel that I don’t know any of the circumstances of Social Services involvement…again that’s something that has to be worked out with those involved for the safety of the children …but surely to assume any bad parenting or child neglect without having depth of knowledge of a family situation is the very definition of a ‘drone mindset’…

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…but a drone mentality would be not considering the fabric of a community and the importance of so many considerations that would maintain…(…or in this case, again reach…)…a situation of equal trust and a solution so that what’s been happening doesn’t continue …this isn’t about personal opinions of anyone, it’s about a council addressing a volatile situation within their jurisdiction and of course they’d do that, that’s what we’d hope from our councils and to also use ‘calming language’ …

…with ‘bad parenting’ …that’s not a label or assumption that I’m going to put on anyone because I feel that I don’t know any of the circumstances of Social Services involvement…again that’s something that has to be worked out with those involved for the safety of the children …but surely to assume any bad parenting or child neglect without having depth of knowledge of a family situation is the very definition of a ‘drone mindset’…

In my view I don't believe that the Social Services in this country would act unless they were concerned about something that they were seeing.

[Beso]

1 man remanded in custody until august 19th for arson etc etc.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx0283e887wo

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

In my view I don't believe that the Social Services in this country would act unless they were concerned about something that they were seeing.

True (usually) but as with every public service in this country they are under-resourced and over-stretched, which means that a lot of things are unfortunately not dealt with in a timely manner, and so when an incident occurs they act defensively and take the most extreme action possible so that Social Services won't come under as much scrutiny. The truth is that it's likely that services should have been involved with the family in a more integrated/cooperative way for years, but they "fell through the cracks", and then a kid got hurt and when it was referred by a healthcare professional they'll have said "Oh ***, we should have known about/been watching this family for years! We better act IMMEDIATELY before someone flags this up".

This mechanism is happening all the time. Nowhere NEAR enough social workers.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by parmnion

1 man remanded in custody until august 19th for arson etc etc.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx0283e887wo

One man !?!?!?!?


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[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

True (usually) but as with every public service in this country they are under-resourced and over-stretched, which means that a lot of things are unfortunately not dealt with in a timely manner, and so when an incident occurs they act defensively and take the most extreme action possible so that Social Services won't come under as much scrutiny. The truth is that it's likely that services should have been involved with the family in a more integrated/cooperative way for years, but they "fell through the cracks", and then a kid got hurt and when it was referred by a healthcare professional they'll have said "Oh ***, we should have known about/been watching this family for years! We better act IMMEDIATELY before someone flags this up".

This mechanism is happening all the time. Nowhere NEAR enough social workers.

I agree with you that Social Services need more workers.

Plus less restrictions put on them, because they clearly had to go through a lot of nonsense before even attempting to deal with the parents of either Baby P or Arthur, and then it's the Social Services getting the blame when both cases ended in tragedy.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

True (usually) but as with every public service in this country they are under-resourced and over-stretched, which means that a lot of things are unfortunately not dealt with in a timely manner, and so when an incident occurs they act defensively and take the most extreme action possible so that Social Services won't come under as much scrutiny. The truth is that it's likely that services should have been involved with the family in a more integrated/cooperative way for years, but they "fell through the cracks", and then a kid got hurt and when it was referred by a healthcare professional they'll have said "Oh ***, we should have known about/been watching this family for years! We better act IMMEDIATELY before someone flags this up".

This mechanism is happening all the time. Nowhere NEAR enough social workers.

…it’s has to be said as well that there is a legal responsibility to investigate any ‘allegations’ also…which they obviously have done in the Leeds riot specific case, also…I’m always reluctant to comment though without knowing any details because the accusations themselves can be quite mis-informed/can have agendas and many other layers etc or relevant factors that we’re not always aware of…

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…it’s has to be said as well that there is a legal responsibility to investigate any ‘allegations’ also…which they obviously have done in the Leeds riot specific case, also…I’m always reluctant to comment though without knowing any details because the accusations themselves can be quite mis-informed/can have agendas and many other layers etc or relevant factors that we’re not always aware of…

Exactly and when they think they might have missed something/neglected their duty, they do often react strongly/immediately and "sort out the details later". I understand why, ultimately, it's better to do that than to miss something and a child to be severely injured or die, BUT it shouldn't be getting to that point.

[Beso]

I wonder what the arsonists 2 kids were doing while he was out rioting?

As the sole parent all hes done is send another 2 innocent kids into the hands of a Yorkshire care system.

[arista]

Police in Leeds
have Given, a new update
Total Arrests are now at 20


SkyNewsHD

[Beso]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c98qd1qnyp2o


2 more men charged with arson etc etc.

Billy Mitchell aged 43
Zamonsty Milan, 30

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Billy Mitchell

Knew he was a wrong'un from way back, when he was beating up poor Jamie.

Never believed all of that rubbish about him being "a changed man".




GUILTY as sin.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Knew he was a wrong'un from way back, when he was beating up poor Jamie.

Never believed all of that rubbish about him being "a changed man".




GUILTY as sin.

No SB

it is Mark Mitchell, 43,
& Zamonsty Milan, 30,


From the BBC Link

[Mystic Mock]

So there's a new Mitchell Brother in town?
@arista

[Ammi]

…a little more information on the family situation and Social Services interventions that sparked the tensions in that area…

Roma children who were taken into care, sparking unrest in Leeds last week, have been returned to their extended family.

Police and social services removed the four children from a house in Harehills on Thursday to prevent them being taken abroad in breach of a court order. The children, aged between eight and 14, had been living with family members since being removed from their parents in April, the family court in Leeds heard on Tuesday.

Leeds city council said social workers had been tipped off that there was a plan to take them to either Romania or Cyprus, contrary to a court order stating they could not leave the UK without permission from the local authority.

After an assessment by social services on Monday, Judge Helen Trotter-Jackson ruled that the children, who cannot be named for legal reasons, could be looked after by extended family 20 minutes’ walk away from their parents.

Relatives at Leeds family court were asked to avoid sharing details of the case on social media and to not take part in public celebrations, amid concerns from the council about the profile of the case.

After the ruling, the children’s mother said through her advocate: “I’m glad the children are back with the family.”

The court heard the children had been “extremely upset” in their emergency foster placement since Thursday and had not settled. They had been kept together but with carers who were not “culturally matched”.

Trotter-Jackson urged the parties involved to put the interests of the children above everything else. “It’s important that everyone focuses on the children’s welfare and taking the temperature down in this case,” she said.

She had been told of the father’s threats to go on hunger strike and allegations that members of the Roma community said they would cause further unrest if the children were not returned.

“This court will simply not take threats like that into account because our paramount concern is for the welfare of those children and it seems to me if those statements were made, they were not helpful. I would ask everyone to be mindful of their behaviour and put the children first,” she said.

She called for calm, adding: “We cannot have the children being upset in the way they were on Thursday.”

Social media posts, including from the far-right activist Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, also known as Tommy Robinson, suggesting thousands of Roma people would be gathering in Harehills to cause further unrest, led to delays to court proceedings.

Police said 20 people had been arrested after the events on Thursday night in which a police car was flipped on its side and a double-decker bus set on fire. They said 17 of the arrests were directly related to the night’s disorder and three were “because of other issues within the area”.

The court heard how the family, whose situation triggered the upheaval, had had no dealings with social services until April, when a seven-month-old baby at the house received an unexplained skull fracture.

The parents and grandparents, who lived at the same address, were arrested and later bailed, trigging care proceedings for all the children in the house. Later, a child in the family came forward claiming she had dropped the baby by accident and had not told any adults, court documents revealed.

There will be a further hearing in August to decide a more permanent solution for the children’s care.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

So there's a new Mitchell Brother in town?
@arista

Probably Billy Mitchell's brother, so a Mitchell Cousin really, the core brothers were of course Grant and Phiw.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Probably Billy Mitchell's brother, so a Mitchell Cousin really, the core brothers were of course Grant and Phiw.

Fair point.

[Beso]

SOUTHPORT.

LIVE.

https://www.youtube.com/live/FHzcX4C...2Y7ygEtsT0A9kF

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by parmnion

SOUTHPORT.

LIVE.

https://www.youtube.com/live/FHzcX4C...2Y7ygEtsT0A9kF

I feel so sorry for those poor police officers (and their families at home worried sick)

Looks like about 5 cops surrounded by hundreds of angry people


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by parmnion

SOUTHPORT.

LIVE.

https://www.youtube.com/live/FHzcX4C...2Y7ygEtsT0A9kF

Wrong thread ?


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[Beso]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Wrong thread ?


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I think the comparison in the reaction to both when one is a mere social work issue, and one is the slaying of 3 innocent girls if we are lucky..(that hurt saying that) makes this the best place for it.