[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

There's clearly also racism aimed at british people. I wish there wasn't.

Nonsense

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Nonsense

Ignorant to the truth..

[Vanessa]

No one should be getting a free pass to roaming the streets with machetes and hammers.

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

But peaceful protesting should be allowed as long as it's not violent.

It should be allowed so long as it's not violent but once it's turned violent you can't have a successful peaceful protest alongside the civil unrest. You have to accept that it's turned violent and wait for order to be restored before you continue peaceful action, otherwise it's quite plainly not peaceful action.

On top of that, a good proportion of the supposed peaceful action wasn't peaceful in the first place. Intimidation and aggressive tactics are not peaceful protest just because they don't involve actually getting physical. I haven't seen much in the way of genuinely peaceful protest at any point over the past few days.

[Cherie]

Labour are going to be a **** show

Jess Phillips has been accused of “making excuses for masked men shouting, abusing and intimidating members of the media”, after gangs of men in balaclavas turned out in Birmingham on Monday night.

Former home secretary James Cleverly called for the home office minister to “think about the consequences” of her words after the Labour MP for Birmingham Yardley tweeted about violent scenes in her constituency.

Large groups of men, some sporting Palestinian flags, gathered outside a mosque in the Bordesley Green area after rumours circulated that the far right were planning on targeting it.

Footage later in the evening showed a number of incidents involving the masked men, some attacking passing cars and in another incident setting upon a man outside a pub.

A Sky News van was attacked by a man with a knife as the TV crew attempted to leave the area after being told they were not welcome, reporter Becky Johnson later said. Ms Johnson was interrupted by a protester on a motorbike who swore and made rude gestures at the camera while attempting to deliver a live report in Birmingham.

Ms Phillips suggested that the rumours of the far right gathering had been deliberately spread in a bid to cause trouble.

“To be clear, all day rumours have been spread that a far right group were coming and it was done entirely to get Muslim people out on the street to drive this content”, the home office minister tweeted. “It is misinformation being spread to create trouble.”



Responding to a second clip of a man in a balaclava swearing at the reporter, Ms Phillips said: “These people came to this location because it has been spread

that racists were coming to attack them. This misinformation was spread entirely to create this content.”

Mr Cleverly criticised her for the comments, writing on social media: “Home Office ministers should not be making excuses for masked men shouting, abusing, and intimidating members of the media.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...d=BingNewsSerp


you have to ask why are the media not welcome, Sky and LBC both run out of areas now? Jonathan Ashworth was also told he was not welcome while campaigning they have a problem there that needs addressing unless we are saying some areas are out of bounds for some people?

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

It should be allowed so long as it's not violent but once it's turned violent you can't have a successful peaceful protest alongside the civil unrest. You have to accept that it's turned violent and wait for order to be restored before you continue peaceful action, otherwise it's quite plainly not peaceful action.

On top of that, a good proportion of the supposed peaceful action wasn't peaceful in the first place. Intimidation and aggressive tactics are not peaceful protest just because they don't involve actually getting physical. I haven't seen much in the way of genuinely peaceful protest at any point over the past few days.

Yes anyone being violent needs to be arrested. Totally agree with that.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Labour are going to be a **** show

Jess Phillips has been accused of “making excuses for masked men shouting, abusing and intimidating members of the media”, after gangs of men in balaclavas turned out in Birmingham on Monday night.

Former home secretary James Cleverly called for the home office minister to “think about the consequences” of her words after the Labour MP for Birmingham Yardley tweeted about violent scenes in her constituency.

Large groups of men, some sporting Palestinian flags, gathered outside a mosque in the Bordesley Green area after rumours circulated that the far right were planning on targeting it.

Footage later in the evening showed a number of incidents involving the masked men, some attacking passing cars and in another incident setting upon a man outside a pub.

A Sky News van was attacked by a man with a knife as the TV crew attempted to leave the area after being told they were not welcome, reporter Becky Johnson later said. Ms Johnson was interrupted by a protester on a motorbike who swore and made rude gestures at the camera while attempting to deliver a live report in Birmingham.

Ms Phillips suggested that the rumours of the far right gathering had been deliberately spread in a bid to cause trouble.

“To be clear, all day rumours have been spread that a far right group were coming and it was done entirely to get Muslim people out on the street to drive this content”, the home office minister tweeted. “It is misinformation being spread to create trouble.”



Responding to a second clip of a man in a balaclava swearing at the reporter, Ms Phillips said: “These people came to this location because it has been spread

that racists were coming to attack them. This misinformation was spread entirely to create this content.”

Mr Cleverly criticised her for the comments, writing on social media: “Home Office ministers should not be making excuses for masked men shouting, abusing, and intimidating members of the media.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...d=BingNewsSerp

I was so annoyed by that. Did they need to wait armed to the teeth?
And she's condoning it

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Labour are going to be a **** show

Jess Phillips has been accused of “making excuses for masked men shouting, abusing and intimidating members of the media”, after gangs of men in balaclavas turned out in Birmingham on Monday night.

Former home secretary James Cleverly called for the home office minister to “think about the consequences” of her words after the Labour MP for Birmingham Yardley tweeted about violent scenes in her constituency.

Large groups of men, some sporting Palestinian flags, gathered outside a mosque in the Bordesley Green area after rumours circulated that the far right were planning on targeting it.

Footage later in the evening showed a number of incidents involving the masked men, some attacking passing cars and in another incident setting upon a man outside a pub.

A Sky News van was attacked by a man with a knife as the TV crew attempted to leave the area after being told they were not welcome, reporter Becky Johnson later said. Ms Johnson was interrupted by a protester on a motorbike who swore and made rude gestures at the camera while attempting to deliver a live report in Birmingham.

Ms Phillips suggested that the rumours of the far right gathering had been deliberately spread in a bid to cause trouble.

“To be clear, all day rumours have been spread that a far right group were coming and it was done entirely to get Muslim people out on the street to drive this content”, the home office minister tweeted. “It is misinformation being spread to create trouble.”



Responding to a second clip of a man in a balaclava swearing at the reporter, Ms Phillips said: “These people came to this location because it has been spread

that racists were coming to attack them. This misinformation was spread entirely to create this content.”

Mr Cleverly criticised her for the comments, writing on social media: “Home Office ministers should not be making excuses for masked men shouting, abusing, and intimidating members of the media.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...d=BingNewsSerp


you have to ask why are the media not welcome, Sky and LBC both run out of areas now? Jonathan Ashworth was also told he was not welcome while campaigning they have a problem there that needs addressing unless we are saying some areas are out of bounds for some people?

It's all pointless distraction though, like I said earlier in the thread. Like building a town on a floodplain, seeing it destroyed by floods, and simply blaming the rain.

The people out being violent are not thinkers. They're just angry, reactive mobs. You might as well blame a tornado or an earthquake. There are far more sinister forces at work -- the people who haven't lifted a finger but are creating the social environment that leads to unrest. Your Farages, your Tommy Robbos, the people who ignored grooming gangs, various people in power and government, now and over the course of many years.

I know people are big on individual responsibility. I just don't have that faith in most of any population. "A person is smart. People are dumb."

Hive minds and mob mentality are a powerful and scary thing.

[Livia]

Just watched the video of a lone white man attacked outside The Clumsy Swan pub in Birmingham. The place was surrounded and people had to barricade the doors. The gang was Muslim, the police did not attend.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

It's all pointless distraction though, like I said earlier in the thread. Like building a town on a floodplain, seeing it destroyed by floods, and simply blaming the rain.

The people out being violent are not thinkers. They're just angry, reactive mobs. You might as well blame a tornado or an earthquake. There are far more sinister forces at work -- the people who haven't lifted a finger but are creating the social environment that leads to unrest. Your Farages, your Tommy Robbos, the people who ignored grooming gangs, various people in power and government, now and over the course of many years.

I know people are big on individual responsibility. I just don't have that faith in most of any population. "A person is smart. People are dumb."

Hive minds and mob mentality are a powerful and scary thing.

You are right it all you say, that said as a Minister she should have been asking where the police were given there was information the Far Right were going to turn up, not condone it including a gun imitating a guy shooting at the camera, more fuel to the fire I am afraid, you actually begin to wonder what is going on when the people in power seem incapable of dousing the flames but rather adding to them

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Livia

Just watched the video of a lone white man attacked outside The Clumsy Swan pub in Birmingham. The place was surrounded and people had to barricade the doors. The gang was Muslim, the police did not attend.

That's exactly the problem. Police only come over is protesters are involved. Otherwise they're not interested.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Cherie

You are right it all you say, that said as a Minister she should have been asking where the police were given there was information the Far Right were going to turn up, not condone it including a gun imitating a guy shooting at the camera, more fuel to the fire I am afraid, you actually begin to wonder what is going on when the people in power seem incapable of dousing the flames but rather adding to them

Keep their eyes on a race war, hoping they dont do the sensible and come together for a revolution.

[bots]

Nobody in their right mind condones rioters from every side, but it doesn't change fundamental facts. A small majority of the UK don't want immigration. They are fed stories about illegal immigration every day of the week. When a new government comes in that got there on the back of a tiny percentage of the popular vote ( much less than voted for brexit) and that new government is seen as sympathetic to immigrants over their own population, it is a recipe for unrest.

Those are undeniable facts

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Nobody in their right mind condones rioters from every side, but it doesn't change fundamental facts. A small majority of the UK don't want immigration. They are fed stories about illegal immigration every day of the week. When a new government comes in that got there on the back of a tiny percentage of the popular vote ( much less than voted for brexit) and that new government is seen as sympathetic to immigrants over their own population, it is a recipe for unrest.

Those are undeniable facts

They are definitely getting preferential treatment.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

They are definitely getting preferential treatment.

Nonsense

[Beso]

That's the thing though, you would expect a government to be intelligent and savvy enough to know what bots just said, they either simply aren't, or simply rubbing the right wings nose in **** merely to spite them by going the exact opposite of the way things regarding unmonitored immigration was going to start going..heck we even paid rwanda up front...will labour try and re coup that much needed money? Will they heck as like

[Vanessa]

https://x.com/GBNEWS/status/18207264...Bpa-SHN_A&s=19
This guy speaks a lot of sense. I like him a lot.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Nonsense

Not the first time your posts have been nonsense.

Maybe you think the Muslim gangs would supportive of you and your sexuality... Bless...

[Livia]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Nobody in their right mind condones rioters from every side, but it doesn't change fundamental facts. A small majority of the UK don't want immigration. They are fed stories about illegal immigration every day of the week. When a new government comes in that got there on the back of a tiny percentage of the popular vote ( much less than voted for brexit) and that new government is seen as sympathetic to immigrants over their own population, it is a recipe for unrest.

Those are undeniable facts

I agree with all of that.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Livia

Not the first time your posts have been nonsense.

Maybe you think the Muslim gangs would supportive of you and your sexuality... Bless...

I’ve never been abused by a Muslim for my sexuality, plenty of white ‘Christian’ people have been abusive towards me for it though, that shtick really doesn’t work as well as you hope it does

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

That's the thing though, you would expect a government to be intelligent and savvy enough to know what bots just said, they either simply aren't, or simply rubbing the right wings nose in **** merely to spite them by going the exact opposite of the way things regarding unmonitored immigration was going to start going..heck we even paid rwanda up front...will labour try and re coup that much needed money? Will they heck as like

The government (and previous government) have all variety of experts advising them, sociologists, social psychologists, historians, political science experts with vast experience... when they play dumb (as they so often do) there's absolutely no doubt that they're playing. Of course they know. Everything they put out is tailored for public consumption with a goal in mind, the conversations going on behind closed doors will be completely different.

Sort of like TiBB staff forum.

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I’ve never been abused by a Muslim for my sexuality, plenty of white ‘Christian’ people have been abusive towards me for it though, that shtick really doesn’t work as well as you hope it does

I mean it's fairly evident that a lot of devout Muslims will be against homosexuality but yes the thing people like to ignore is that the fundamentalist Christians have exactly the same attitudes - the issue is hardline religion in general, not any specific religion.

We've just, in most of Europe, gotten used to our Christianity being much more liberal and soft than it once was. For now. Do a bit of digging at any friendly Church Group and you'll find that their opinions remain largely the same as ever, they just don't share them as openly. We're accustomed to fluffy Christianity, and conveniently forget the inquisitions, conquests and crusades.

The only meaningful difference is that Islam is a newer religion than Christianity.

[joeysteele]

I have been 100% consistent on here on this.

I hold no one else responsible other than the morons who started this whole criminal rioting scenario on misinformation and lies.
They alone are responsible for the original violence carried out by them and against the Police too.

If I'm prejudiced at all, I'm only prejudiced against prejudice.
So I'm not going to take lectures from anyone that possibly holds any prejudice of any kind.

These rioters are criminals and terrorising not only their warped agenda target.
However causing fear and distress to all the area of the communities of towns, cities THEY THEMSELVES CHOOSE to riot in .
Then breaking the law and attacking the Police, the upholders of the law.

No blame can or should go elsewhere in my view.
I've never once veered from that position and the sooner these underseving of any defence or support are hopefully locked away and off the UKs streets the better.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

The government (and previous government) have all variety of experts advising them, sociologists, social psychologists, historians, political science experts with vast experience... when they play dumb (as they so often do) there's absolutely no doubt that they're playing. Of course they know. Everything they put out is tailored for public consumption with a goal in mind, the conversations going on behind closed doors will be completely different.

Sort of like TiBB staff forum.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/defau...-says-adviser/

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

I mean it's fairly evident that a lot of devout Muslims will be against homosexuality but yes the thing people like to ignore is that the fundamentalist Christians have exactly the same attitudes - the issue is hardline religion in general, not any specific religion.

We've just, in most of Europe, gotten used to our Christianity being much more liberal and soft than it once was. For now. Do a bit of digging at any friendly Church Group and you'll find that their opinions remain largely the same as ever, they just don't share them as openly. We're accustomed to fluffy Christianity, and conveniently forget the inquisitions, conquests and crusades.

The only meaningful difference is that Islam is a newer religion than Christianity.

Christian extremists and Muslim extremists have exactly the same beliefs, just wrapped up in different books, but one is seen as worse than the other because of the colour of their skin, when in reality on most subjects the both sets of weirdos would be hand in hand screaming for the extinction for my community