[Niamh.]

deleted some posts in here, keep it about the HMs not each other please

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Links / evidence ?

Too much work for a throwaway forum post. You are free to visit either of those platforms for your own temperature reading for sure.

[Abra]

I really wanted to like Ali, I thought she would be a good housemate in the beginning but her targeting of Khaled has not done her any favours. She seems quite manipulative and seems to think that she is a better judge of character than anyone else because of what she does for a living. Every little thing Khaled does she is twisting and manipulating and I just find it quite strange. He has handled it really well though considering how hard she has been trying to ostracise him and turn others against him.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Maru

Is Khaled's behavior even a big deal or is she just upset her game backfired? She got cocky, thought she could manipulate others without getting caught, gets caught and is now pretending she has some reason, morals, principles, etc, some anything to avoid personal responsibility.

It's not even like Khaled held that much sway in the house that we could tell. We barely noticed him... for some reason she's picked Khaled as a hill worth dying on (he's not..), and the longer she stays on that hill, the more damage she receives.

I guess she really does perceive him as someone capable of exposing her and she really does not want him there, seeing as clearly he's not someone she will not be able to control... I think her accusations and concern trolling over fakery were attempts to do that, to expand her influence over the house, and it failed horrifically.

Exactly this, I truly believe she's annoyed her plan has backfired. So now it's operation plan B . She putting on the sympathy and waterworks to guilt trip Khaled ,and to make the house see him as a bad person. Her manipulation is next level.

[Abra]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

The fact that Khaled stood his ground and the result of that was Ali throwing a tantrum and threatening to leave says it all

Looks like Ali is used to getting her own way all the time at home...

Yeah, I think she thought she was going to be able to use her psychology jargon to gaslight the rest of the HM's against him, when that didn't happen it seemed to annoy her, especially with Khaled being voted HoH and Ali being nominated for eviction. Her plan didn't work at all.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Adamw92

Interesting how people get shot down and told they can’t use the autism “card” when explaining how Ali thinks or speaks but you can casually mention Khaled being from Lebanon as a way of defending him…

There shouldn't be an autism card, Lebanon card, etc. If she criticised Khaled on his own merits rather than whatever powergames she perceives people could be playing in life, she wouldn't have painted such a big target on her back. It also advertises to everyone there just how easily it could have been one of them. None of them are safe from her "assessments".

Hanah nominated her for fixating on her character qualities. (That was telling.) Yet she still tried to console her in private, give her a pep talk (on live feed) and encourage her to take a different route. Is Hanah now fake because she didn't tell her then and there how Ali makes her actually feel?

I wonder how different the house dynamic would be if she had left. Would people who normally wouldn't be able to have conversations finally feel they can have them without someone hyper-scrutinizing? I took Hanah trying to encourage Ali to chill herself out as helping herself also, as it doesn't seem like it is very comfortable there atm. We have seen very little of Hanah standing out and I wonder if this is why because Ali is that person who needs to step in to allegedly defend people (she is hurting them more than helping) and tends to treat them like puzzle pieces in the process rather than letting them just get on with it themselves...

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Exactly this, I truly believe she's annoyed her plan has backfired. So now it's operation plan B . She putting on the sympathy and waterworks to guilt trip Khaled ,and to make the house see him as a bad person. Her manipulation is next level.

She's making Khaled more popular and she doesn't even realise

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

She's making Khaled more popular and she doesn't even realise

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

He's actually such a sweet lad

[Adamw92]

Originally Posted by Maru

There shouldn't be an autism card, Lebanon card, etc. If she criticised Khaled on his own merits rather than whatever powergames she perceives people could be playing in life, she wouldn't have painted such a big target on her back. It also advertises to everyone there just how easily it could have been one of them. None of them are safe from her "assessments".

Hanah nominated her for fixating on her character qualities. (That was telling.) Yet she still tried to console her in private, give her a pep talk (on live feed) and encourage her to take a different route. Is Hanah now fake because she didn't tell her then and there how Ali makes her actually feel?

I wonder how different the house dynamic would be if she had left. Would people who normally wouldn't be able to have conversations finally feel they can have them without someone hyper-scrutinizing? I took Hanah trying to encourage Ali to chill herself out as helping herself also, as it doesn't seem like it is very comfortable there atm. We have seen very little of Hanah standing out and I wonder if this is why because Ali is that person who needs to step in to allegedly defend people (she is hurting them more than helping) and tends to treat them like puzzle pieces in the process rather than letting them just get on with it...

You’re right, there absolutely shouldn’t be any card, that’s what I was saying. No Hanah isn’t fake for not saying it there and then but then that’s not the same because Ali isn’t accusing Khaled of saying things about people behind their backs and then not saying it to their faces, she’s saying he carefully looks at how he’s being portrayed to fit the good guy narrative in front of others which I agree with, it’s not genuine.

I don’t agree with how she’s put it across but I don’t disagree with her points about him.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Maru

There shouldn't be an autism card, Lebanon card, etc. If she criticised Khaled on his own merits rather than whatever powergames she perceives people could be playing in life, she wouldn't have painted such a big target on her back. It also advertises to everyone there just how easily it could have been one of them. None of them are safe from her "assessments".

Hanah nominated her for fixating on her character qualities. (That was telling.) Yet she still tried to console her in private, give her a pep talk (on live feed) and encourage her to take a different route. Is Hanah now fake because she didn't tell her then and there how Ali makes her actually feel?

I wonder how different the house dynamic would be if she had left. Would people who normally wouldn't be able to have conversations finally feel they can have them without someone hyper-scrutinizing? I took Hanah trying to encourage Ali to chill herself out as helping herself also, as it doesn't seem like it is very comfortable there atm. We have seen very little of Hanah standing out and I wonder if this is why because Ali is that person who needs to step in to allegedly defend people (she is hurting them more than helping) and tends to treat them like puzzle pieces in the process rather than letting them just get on with it themselves...

I thought it was very telling indeed ,it also shows that Ali is rubbing others up the wrong way and making them feel uncomfortable.

It also highlights how Hannah is literally what you see is what you get ,I really hope she goes far in this game/ BB house .

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

She's making Khaled more popular and she doesn't even realise

We couldn't find him on a map before, but now some of us are now planning our next vacations there so that we can learn what happens at Camp Khaled.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Maru

We couldn't find him on a map before, but now some of us are now planning our next vacations there so that we can learn what happens at Camp Khaled.

Brilliant ,I love this comment .

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Adamw92

You’re right, there absolutely shouldn’t be any card, that’s what I was saying. No Hanah isn’t fake for not saying it there and then but then that’s not the same because Ali isn’t accusing Khaled of saying things to about people behind their backs and then not saying it to their faces, she’s saying he carefully looks at how he’s being portrayed to fit the good guy narrative in front of others which I agree with, it’s not genuine.

I don’t agree with how she’s put it across but I don’t disagree with her points about him.

Ali's accusation is that he isn't being him and that he very treats people differently than how he actually feels, but no basis for that is given other than it *can* be perceived this way. I think that way of analyzing others, sadly, can apply to any one of the HMs at any given moment.

Hanah didn't say anything behind her back to others in the house and neither has Khaled, but they are both required to nominate. Both are very nice people from what we can tell but only one of them has had the misfortune of falling on the bad side of Ali.

I think it's because Khaled won't let her in to tinker with him emotionally and he knows better than to feed her and that gives her nothing to work with. That apparently drives her insane. She knows she can't use that and fair play, he had her figured out early on. That makes him a potential threat to Ali. Hanah and the other people there have fed into her complex and haven't really left her radar. I think that is why I think someone like her would be OK, even if it is unclear atm where her support is, but not Khaled...

[jet]

This perception that Khalid is fake is puzzling to me, because I don’t think Ali or anyone on here who agrees with her have given any specific examples of WHY they think so.
I mean, to come to the firm conclusion that he is, there would have to be strong instances of this fakeness other than ‘he’s being too nice’, given the very definate beliefs being expressed of his fakeness.

But maybe he IS just nice, or maybe he is naturally a people pleaser, or maybe he is the sort of person who takes quite a while to let himself relax and feel comfortable with strangers. I think most people would agree that none of those things would qualify as deserving of the singling out treatment he is getting from Ali - for the other HM’s (apart from her chum Lily) have never expressed such sentiments about him.
So is it “ Ali says so, and she’s a professional, so it must be true” or if not, then what specific actions point to him being a ‘fake’ - standing out way over and above any of the other HM’s?

[Beso]

Originally Posted by jet

This perception that Khalid is fake is puzzling to me, because I don’t think Ali or anyone on here who agrees with her have given any specific examples of WHY they think so.
I mean, to come to the firm conclusion that he is, there would have to be strong instances of this fakeness other than ‘he’s being too nice’, given the very definate beliefs being expressed of his fakeness.

But maybe he IS just nice, or maybe he is naturally a people pleaser, or maybe he is the sort of person who takes quite a while to let himself relax and feel comfortable with strangers. I think most people would agree that none of those things would qualify as deserving of the singling out treatment he is getting from Ali - for the other HM’s (apart from her chum Lily) have never expressed such sentiments about him.
So is it “ Ali says so, and she’s a professional, so it must be true” or if not, then what specific actions point to him being a ‘fake’ - standing out way over and above any of the other HM’s?

Maybe they met at auditions where he was a totally different person

Rachel rice style.

[GoldHeart]

Not to stereotype gender roles,but I wonder aswell if Ali automatically sees the girls as more in touch with their emotions than the boys ,who she sees as just 'lad lads lads'. Meaning she unfairly judges them. Even Dean was harshly pre judging the boys.

But even so , she's still picked Khaled out and singled him out above the rest.

So she sees Hannah and most the girls as 'more open' . I wonder if she expected Khaled to sit down in a 1 to 1 therapy session and pour his heart out with tears and cuddling cushions ,as they hold hands and get more in touch with their feelings .

Her paranoia of him is very weird , especially after just 1 week aswell.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Beso

Maybe they met at auditions where he was a totally different person

Rachel rice style.

Is that you Beso ??

That was an rather insightful statement


Confused ….


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[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Is that you Beso ??

That was an rather insightful statement


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I actually liked Rachel Rice , I thought Rex was awful to her .

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Is that you Beso ??

That was an rather insightful statement


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Well due to the pedantic patronizing tones of that post, this is definitely you, Zizu.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Beso

Well due to the pedantic patronizing tones of that post, this is definitely you, Zizu.

I simply find you extremely provocative .. intentionally no doubt


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[Glenn.]

Mmmmm hmmmm

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I simply find you extremely provocative .. intentionally no doubt


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I will just pop this here for you to read again.

People with ADHD often have very strong moral convictions, and feel a strong need to uphold them. This can make them very quick to judge others who they perceive as behaving unfairly or unjustly

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Beso

I will just pop this here for you to read again.

People with ADHD often have very strong moral convictions, and feel a strong need to uphold them. This can make them very quick to judge others who they perceive as behaving unfairly or unjustly

Thanks .. I haven’t seen that for about ten minutes.

You do love a quick google search , don’t cha


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[Beso]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Thanks .. I haven’t seen that for about ten minutes.

You do love a quick google search , don’t cha


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One must when constantly asked for proof or receipts, or told "how on earth can you know that"