[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Redway

Don’t you think her reaction was just a little bit over-the-top?

It was, because Khaled's flaws imo doesn't make him the evil monstrosity that Ali's conjuring up in her head.

But I don't also think that Ali is as crazy as some people are in the public believe her to be when it comes to Khaled, because I do believe that he exaggerates his niceness, and I do think that he has one of the bigger egos in the house, that he tries to conceal.

I ultimately do believe Khaled to be a decent guy, but just not the saint that he wants everyone to see him as, which I think is twigging with Ali who already has a bias against men anyway.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by GlitterUK

She has man issues.

…Ali hasn’t connected with all of the female housemates either and she gets along with some of the guys so I can’t see that being true, tbh…there is/has been lots to discuss with her in terms of behaviour we’ve seen…(…obviously that’s edited and highlighted which has to be considered as well…)…but I can’t see ‘man hater’…

…sadly, unfair get ‘slapped on’ to people and then a bandwagon can run with them regardless of whether there is truth or not…

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by Scarlett.

Her gaslighting behaviour is very worrisome considering she's a psychologist

This really annoys me.

If people didn't know her job would they be saying the same thing.

There's one thing going into the BB house and another slating her occupation and using it as a weapon against her.

I have seen people question her ability to do her job..... How people can't differentiate between a social experiment and the ability to do her job is bewildering

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

This really annoys me.

If people didn't know her job would they be saying the same thing.

There's one thing going into the BB house and another slating her occupation and using it as a weapon against her.

I have seen people question her ability to do her job..... How people can't differentiate between a social experiment and the ability to do her job is bewildering

So much about the way people in here see Ali is bewildering .. just a reflection of our damaged , ignorant and intolerant society sadly


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[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

And her "leaving it" half the time means having her say and then walking off without letting the other person have theirs

I think she just gets to the point.often it's a dragged out heated debate.

I think with Khaled he wants to make an amends, but she's not bothered with that. Like she said we don't like each other it's fine, leave it at that.

[FromBB8]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

It was, because Khaled's flaws imo doesn't make him the evil monstrosity that Ali's conjuring up in her head.

But I don't also think that Ali is as crazy as some people are in the public believe her to be when it comes to Khaled, because I do believe that he exaggerates his niceness, and I do think that he has one of the bigger egos in the house, that he tries to conceal.

I ultimately do believe Khaled to be a decent guy, but just not the saint that he wants everyone to see him as, which I think is twigging with Ali who already has a bias against men anyway.

There was an interesting conversation between Khalid and I think it was Emma on live feed which I wish they'd aired on the highlights, as it may have given context on his behaviour in the house - at least it helped me.

Khaled was explaining that, when he was younger, he had trouble handling his emotions - he'd react first and think later to every situation. He said he worked on himself, hence the boxing and working out, to try and be measured, and not get overly emotional about anything for that reason.

I think that might be why Ali has an issue. He's not being fake in the sense that who we're seeing is who he has worked on to be, but perhaps she is sensing the "react first" part of his nature but, because they've never sat down and had that discussion, she can't place it. So instead she believes he's playing up to the cameras.

That might be why Khaled said to Ali he feels she can't read him, and believes that's why he bothers her to such an extent.

[Crimson Dynamo]

maybe Khaled stirs feelings in Ali that she has repressed when she went full Lesbian?

just a thought....

[*mazedsalv**]

If Ali was a man and acted the way she did last night, she would be hated by the very people who are so called supporting her to the death.

Khaled has the patience of a saint. 99.9% of people wouldn't have been as calm as he was.

If i had someone like Ali work in the same place with me, i would steer clear from her, because just the very presence of me would set her off.

Someone on X said it all,

"Ali, could you please pass the salt?"

"OK, listen, i know what you are trying to do, you are trying to vilify me in a way in front of the cameras which will be detrimental to my job. I am done with this conversation".

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by *mazedsalv**

If Ali was a man and acted the way she did last night, she would be hated by the very people who are so called supporting her to the death.

Khaled has the patience of a saint. 99.9% of people wouldn't have been as calm as he was.

If i had someone like Ali work in the same place with me, i would steer clear from her, because just the very presence of me would set her off.

Someone on X said it all,

"Ali, could you please pass the salt?"

"OK, listen, i know what you are trying to do, you are trying to vilify me in a way in front of the cameras which will be detrimental to my job. I am done with this conversation".

I must admit that another hypocrisy that tends to emerge in Ali, is the accusation that Khaled is trying to vilify her on camera. I do find this somewhat frustrating in her because she has very publicly, in front of large groups of housemates as well as the cameras, levelled very harsh judgements at him.

She has accused him of being false and fake, with all that implies regarding dishonesty and deceit, and she has suggested he showed no sensitivity or consideration for Martha, when he clearly explained the process he went through to arrive at his decision in the fairest way possible.

Ironically, it is often Ali who is vilifying Khaled, but she seems unable to recognise that. I do have an understanding of why Ali behaves as she does, and I have sympathy for that, but I think that on looking back, she herself, will see that this is something she needs to address and moderate in her interactions with others.

The accusation or suggestion of vilification has been used each time another housemate has tried to discuss or resolve an issue with Ali - this serves only to silence them, so ensures that problems can never be solved and that resentment remain on both sides. It is a shame that she seems unable to be more open-minded in these situations, or that someone she trusts in there is not willing to discuss this with her in a kind and thoughtful way,

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by FromBB8

There was an interesting conversation between Khalid and I think it was Emma on live feed which I wish they'd aired on the highlights, as it may have given context on his behaviour in the house - at least it helped me.

Khaled was explaining that, when he was younger, he had trouble handling his emotions - he'd react first and think later to every situation. He said he worked on himself, hence the boxing and working out, to try and be measured, and not get overly emotional about anything for that reason.

I think that might be why Ali has an issue. He's not being fake in the sense that who we're seeing is who he has worked on to be, but perhaps she is sensing the "react first" part of his nature but, because they've never sat down and had that discussion, she can't place it. So instead she believes he's playing up to the cameras.

That might be why Khaled said to Ali he feels she can't read him, and believes that's why he bothers her to such an extent.

That's fair.

I didn't know that about Khaled tbf.

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by *mazedsalv**

If Ali was a man and acted the way she did last night, she would be hated by the very people who are so called supporting her to the death.

Khaled has the patience of a saint. 99.9% of people wouldn't have been as calm as he was.

If i had someone like Ali work in the same place with me, i would steer clear from her, because just the very presence of me would set her off.

Someone on X said it all,

"Ali, could you please pass the salt?"

"OK, listen, i know what you are trying to do, you are trying to vilify me in a way in front of the cameras which will be detrimental to my job. I am done with this conversation".

But it's hard to make the comparison of what she would be like out the house as the environment is completely different.

People seem unable to differentiate

[GlitterUK]

I think Ali will apologise once she is out to Khaled at the very least. I hope she sorts it with him in there but I think Khaled is doomed whatever he does now in her eyes. Khaled seems a very forgiving person and the way he has handled himself is amazing.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by *mazedsalv**

If Ali was a man and acted the way she did last night, she would be hated by the very people who are so called supporting her to the death.

Khaled has the patience of a saint. 99.9% of people wouldn't have been as calm as he was.

If i had someone like Ali work in the same place with me, i would steer clear from her, because just the very presence of me would set her off.

Someone on X said it all,

"Ali, could you please pass the salt?"

"OK, listen, i know what you are trying to do, you are trying to vilify me in a way in front of the cameras which will be detrimental to my job. I am done with this conversation".

Yeah this is absolutely spot on. She has real deep seeded hate for Khalid and you really have to question yourself why?

Like when Ali and Dean had a decision to make regarding the save and replace. Khalid wasn't even angry, he was calm and said to her when they were alone, in a nice way i might add - "it's hard isn't it" (as he had the same decision to make the week previous) and she flew off the handle at him, making HERSELF the victim yet again. He was was merely pointing out what a difficult process it all is, and that as she'd been through it now she would be able to empathise with him. But nah, Ali saw it as an opportunity to have yet another pop at the guy.

People wont have this i know, but imagine if Ryan had taken this instant dislike to Khalid early on for no apparent reason. If Ryan was displaying this irrational hatred of Khalid? Well, some of the same people supporting Ali now would be absolutely accusing Ryan of Islamphobia. It's like because Ali is and gay and supports trans rights (she knew what she was doing by wearing that t-shirt) she couldn't possibly be against Khalid because he's a practising Muslim and man of colour.

In any case, Ali was lapping up the sympathy yesterday, all this is playing right into her game plan. And it's working. In her head though, she's loving this outcome. Im genuinely surprised so many are falling for it.

[FromBB8]

Originally Posted by GlitterUK

I think Ali will apologise once she is out to Khaled at the very least. I hope she sorts it with him in there but I think Khaled is doomed whatever he does now in her eyes. Khaled seems a very forgiving person and the way he has handled himself is amazing.

Last night's show was the first time we saw a sign of him reaching breaking point. Unfortunately, I feel that will come back to bite him.

[rusticgal]

Ali has aligned herself with the weakest people in there...the ones she knows she can control and manipulate.
She sounds like she knows what she is talking about but she completely contradicts her own behaviour most of the time. She has told a few of them that Dean was the instigator of those decisions but left her to take the flak...then Dean comes over and asks her if she is ok and she doesn't say a word to him about it. She knows she has Dean where she wants him atm (he is weak, all mouth and no trousers)...unyet she has pretty much slagged him off behind his back...and she calls Khalid FAKE.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Ali has aligned herself with the weakest people in there...the ones she knows she can control and manipulate.
She sounds like she knows what she is talking about but she completely contradicts her own behaviour most of the time. She has told a few of them that Dean was the instigator of those decisions but left her to take the flak...then Dean comes over and asks her if she is ok and she doesn't say a word to him about it. She knows she has Dean where she wants him atm (he is weak, all mouth and no trousers)...unyet she has pretty much slagged him off behind his back...and she calls Khalid FAKE.

Exactly. That was more fake than anything Khaled has ever done

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Swan

Yeah this is absolutely spot on. She has real deep seeded hate for Khalid and you really have to question yourself why?

Like when Ali and Dean had a decision to make regarding the save and replace. Khalid wasn't even angry, he was calm and said to her when they were alone, in a nice way i might add - "it's hard isn't it" (as he had the same decision to make the week previous) and she flew off the handle at him, making HERSELF the victim yet again. He was was merely pointing out what a difficult process it all is, and that as she'd been through it now she would be able to empathise with him. But nah, Ali saw it as an opportunity to have yet another pop at the guy.

People wont have this i know, but imagine if Ryan had taken this instant dislike to Khalid early on for no apparent reason. If Ryan was displaying this irrational hatred of Khalid? Well, some of the same people supporting Ali now would be absolutely accusing Ryan of Islamphobia. It's like because Ali is and gay and supports trans rights (she knew what she was doing by wearing that t-shirt) she couldn't possibly be against Khalid because he's a practising Muslim and man of colour.

In any case, Ali was lapping up the sympathy yesterday, all this is playing right into her game plan. And it's working. In her head though, she's loving this outcome. Im genuinely surprised so many are falling for it.

Good post...I hope Khalid doesn't make any more attempts to make amends because she will just turn on him again...he should let it it go now. .

[Beso]

She hates Khaled cause he is a Muslim man, and she doesn't trust muslim men around women..hence the need to check up on hanah.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Swan

Yeah this is absolutely spot on. She has real deep seeded hate for Khalid and you really have to question yourself why?

Like when Ali and Dean had a decision to make regarding the save and replace. Khalid wasn't even angry, he was calm and said to her when they were alone, in a nice way i might add - "it's hard isn't it" (as he had the same decision to make the week previous) and she flew off the handle at him, making HERSELF the victim yet again. He was was merely pointing out what a difficult process it all is, and that as she'd been through it now she would be able to empathise with him. But nah, Ali saw it as an opportunity to have yet another pop at the guy.

People wont have this i know, but imagine if Ryan had taken this instant dislike to Khalid early on for no apparent reason. If Ryan was displaying this irrational hatred of Khalid? Well, some of the same people supporting Ali now would be absolutely accusing Ryan of Islamphobia. It's like because Ali is and gay and supports trans rights (she knew what she was doing by wearing that t-shirt) she couldn't possibly be against Khalid because he's a practising Muslim and man of colour.

In any case, Ali was lapping up the sympathy yesterday, all this is playing right into her game plan. And it's working. In her head though, she's loving this outcome. Im genuinely surprised so many are falling for it.

Outside the house , especially on L& L a few audience members seem to be finally seeing what a bitch Ali is . It got tiresome how L& L kept acting as if the sun shined out her backside. That Harriet guest ( no idea who she is) , is always defending Ali as she clearly has a bias.. .

I agree about parts of what you're saying re: if this was Ryan against Khaled,we all know how quickly things would go down a certain ugly narrative to paint Ryan as the villain.

Hanah rightly pointed out that Ali is getting sympathy,whereas Khaled was left to hang out and dry basically, more people in the house are pandering to Ali's feelings , whereas Khaled was pushed aside,whilst whispers of him being " fake " was said behind his back.

Ali is a very cold cruel game player, and she definitely is capitalising on the whole ' Red witch drama' now, she can't let it drop . She probably thinks she'll get her own feminist podcast titled ' Red witch hour ' or something, if she was chocolate she would eat herself... she's that self absorbed.