[Cherie Christmas]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…and did it stop the hunt…?…I expect it did……

in its tracks

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

I don't know anyone who supports Palestine that wants to wipe out Israel, where are people getting that idea? We just want a ceasefire.

Loads support Palestine,


Ali took that T-Shirt in
knowing full well it is a Political
and illegal.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

I don't know anyone who supports Palestine that wants to wipe out Israel, where are people getting that idea? We just want a ceasefire.

Maybe it's the chants of "from the river to the sea" at the protests, among other things?

Look, no one is saying all pro Palestine people are saying it, but let's not pretend that none are.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Maru

Me too, it looks tasty

It is
but also the colors of the Enemy's Flag.

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Maybe it's the chants of "from the ocean to the sea" at the protests, among other things?

Look, no one is saying all pro Palestine people are saying it, but let's not pretend that none are.

Palestine being free doesn't mean Israelis won't be, it's always been a place where many different peoples coexisted and it should be again.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

Palestine being free doesn't mean Israelis won't be, it's always been a place where many different peoples coexisted and it should be again.

From the river to the sea explicitly means the erasure of the Israeli state.

Look, I have no skin in the fight there either way, my general view is get the kids out that are being used as human shields and let the two bronze age zealot cults have at it, but I do expect people to be honest when discussing it.

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by vesavius

From the river to the sea explicitly means the erasure of the Israeli state.

Look, I have no skin in the fight there either way, my general view is get the kids out that are being used as human shields and let the two bronze age zealot cults have at it, but I do expect people to be honest when discussing it.

Palestine has no weapons, food, resources, nothing, it's not an equal fight. People are eating tins of cat food.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

Palestine has no weapons, food, resources, nothing, it's not an equal fight. People are eating tins of cat food.

I didn't say it was equal. I see that you swerved acknowledging the meaning of 'from the river to the sea though'.

You are aware of the breadth of the conflict though and the mass attacks on Israel?

TBC, I am not pro Israel at all, I actually dislike zionism a lot, but I do think that we need to cut through the noise to have a proper discussion about it and that means being honest about both sides.

Can I ask, how do you balance your views on trans rights against the chronic state of LGBT rights within Palestine?

[vesavius]

Ali wasn't, by her own words, aware of the significance of the iconography that she chose to wear on national TV.

Says it all really. Uninformed just enough education to be dangerous people waving flags because it's the current thing never ends well.

[ivy balls]

Originally Posted by vesavius

I didn't say it was equal. I see that you swerved acknowledging the meaning of 'from the river to the sea though'.

You are aware of the breadth of the conflict though and the mass attacks on Israel?

TBC, I am not pro Israel at all, I actually dislike zionism a lot, but I do think that we need to cut through the noise to have a proper discussion about it and that means being honest about both sides.

Can I ask, how do you balance your views on trans rights against the chronic state of LGBT rights within Palestine?

This isn't the place for such discussions.

Why don't you take it to serious debates?

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

This isn't the place for such discussions.

Why don't you take it to serious debates?

The thread is clearly about this discussion. This discussion is surely what Ali wanted to create by wearing it? The discussion being had is directly related to the show.

Police someone else, I'm not interested.

[arista]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

This isn't the place for such discussions.

Why don't you take it to serious debates?

You Are Wrong


Ali
went Political Illegal

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by arista

You Are Wrong


Ali
went Political Illegal

The whole season was set up to be political.. From Nathan to Khaled to Daze to Ali... Some suggesting we can't have discussions here around those issues is missing half the show as intended by the producers is ridiculous.

Can I just say here also that the production team examine all the clothing of the HMs before they go in. They allowed the shirt to go through and they allowed it to be shown on screen. This was all intentional.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

Palestine has no weapons, food, resources, nothing, it's not an equal fight. People are eating tins of cat food.

Yes Jess
it is terrible, a living hell


Ch4HDnews 7PM every night.


But The Terrorists, Hamas
who run that nation
Murdered thousands of peaceful Jews
on Oct 7th last year.



Ali knows what she did

[Holly Christmas]

I fully believe Ali.

[Christmas Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

Palestine has no weapons, food, resources, nothing, it's not an equal fight. People are eating tins of cat food.

Stop reading propaganda

[Parumpapapump]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

Palestine has no weapons, food, resources, nothing, it's not an equal fight. People are eating tins of cat food.

That's cause their dead ex leader and his wife and all their cronies have been hiding down tunnels with all the money for months upon months..


Lovely caring people so they are!

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes Jess
it is terrible, a living hell


Ch4HDnews 7PM every night.


But The Terrorists, Hamas
who run that nation
Murdered thousands of peaceful Jews
on Oct 7th last year.



Ali knows what she did

Hamas are just a drop in the water compared to the average Palestinian though, innocent people should be spared but even schools and hospitals have been destroyed with people in them and Hamas not involved.

[ebandit]

Originally Posted by Beso

Shes just your typical virtual signalling lefty.

if ali had any strength of conviction she woulda done a 'hanah' 'n replied sorry! BB i'm wearing the tee.........

self proclaimed 'activist' not aware of political message?

Mark L

[Livia]

I suspect this tee shirt was worn with no political conviction at all. So many people making tenuous political statements on the Israel/Hamas conflict don't know the first thing about the conflict.

[ivy balls]

Originally Posted by vesavius

The thread is clearly about this discussion. This discussion is surely what Ali wanted to create by wearing it? The discussion being had is directly related to the show.

Police someone else, I'm not interested.

I can't stop discussions I just suggested because it then turns away from Ali wearing the t shirt to the actual war itself. It's a rabbit hole

Originally Posted by arista

You Are Wrong


Ali
went Political Illegal

Ok.......

[ivy balls]

Originally Posted by Livia

I suspect this tee shirt was worn with no political conviction at all. So many people making tenuous political statements on the Israel/Hamas conflict don't know the first thing about the conflict.

Yeah I think you could be right.

I know very little and it dates back a long time that it's complicated.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Swan

She is though, through her political statements

The post I quoted is saying she's been accused of being both Muslim hating and Jew hating though

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Livia

I suspect this tee shirt was worn with no political conviction at all. So many people making tenuous political statements on the Israel/Hamas conflict don't know the first thing about the conflict.

While I agree that she has no political convictions past performatively showing her chums that she is on the 'right side of history', she was doubtless well aware of the significance of the symbol, as were the BB production team.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by vesavius

While I agree that she has no political convictions past performatively showing her chums that she is on the 'right side of history', she was doubtless well aware of the significance of the symbol, as were the BB production team.

She definitely was. I'll admit it went right over my head but Ali has openly said she wants to get into activism so I'm quite sure she knew what the symbol meant politically