[Swan]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Emma noticed a change in her behaviour as well,when she noticed how Ali started gravitating towards herself, Nathan & Rosie.

Ali will cling to whoever she thinks is popular, she panicked when Lily got evicted. Then she regrouped and hung on for dear life to Nathan.

And that's allowed to be questioned, Considering his political stance, it's shocking to see her so close with him, for all what he stands for. Being civil is one thing, but actually mating up with him and saying she'll "take Rosie's place with him" is absolutely worth questioning.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Swan

Remember last week Ali was distancing herself from Nathan, now she's best mates with him. To me, that's completely transparent and phoney as he's survived about as many evictions as her.

How is that ^ "hating on her". Questioning, hers, or any other HM's motivation is literally why this forum exists. I'd happily have a respectful debate about it, but as soon as you try to put your point across and others don't like it, you're a "raging hater". It's boring

Dude, you've called people who like Ali many names, so maybe don't take the high ground on the subject of name calling because frankly you are on the of the worst offenders.

Ali wasn't distancing herself from Nathan at all. What's happened is that Ali's best friend was still in the house, and she'd even bonded really closely with Khaled and he left, and so of course she will gravitate towards others. Ali's lost all those closest to her, do viewers expect her to sit on her own? That isn't phoney, it's just human and they would have all done it.

And this is what I find missing when it comes to judgement of Ali's behaviour: wider context and nuance.

Like yesterday, she got a load of critique about being nice to Segun and then complaining about him. That was totally a normal reaction: she said to him he shouldn't feel bad about getting the 10k because it will change his life, but of course she would still to be annoyed she was put in that position, she's allowed to feel disappointed and irritated while still reassuring someone who was also in a **** position.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Emma noticed a change in her behaviour as well,when she noticed how Ali started gravitating towards herself, Nathan & Rosie.

Because she was alone.

https://x.com/Th3RedWitch/status/1855997400814428344

[Swan]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Dude, you've called people who like Ali many names, so maybe don't take the high ground on the subject of name calling because frankly you are on the of the worst offenders.

Ali wasn't distancing herself from Nathan at all. What's happened is that Ali's best friend was still in the house, and she'd even bonded really closely with Khaled and he left, and so of course she will gravitate towards others. Ali's lost all those closest to her, do viewers expect her to sit on her own? That isn't phoney, it's just human and they would have all done it.

And this is what I find missing when it comes to judgement of Ali's behaviour: wider context and nuance.

Like yesterday, she got a load of critique about being nice to Segun and then complaining about him. That was totally a normal reaction: she said to him he shouldn't feel bad about getting the 10k because it will change his life, but of course she would still to be annoyed she was put in that position, she's allowed to feel disappointed and irritated while still reassuring someone who was also in a **** position.

I have, i admit that. I've called people nutters because when you point out her faults (every human has them) you're branded a "hater" and everyone just doubles down and calls her a "queen" and can't, for some reason see anything but the sun shining out her arse. That's crazy to me, how people can dismiss such behaviour. Like he lying to Emma, kissing Nathan's arse and offering to "take Rosie's place" with Nathan?

Oh and gullible, yes. Becuase all she does, literally every single HL show, is slate others for "knowing the cameras" are there. Yet she wears shirts KNOWING what she's doing. She's not wearing them for comfort, hate to break it to you. She's a massive hypocrite, at best.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Because she was alone.

https://x.com/Th3RedWitch/status/1855997400814428344

There's talking to housemates and then there's crawling up their bum.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Swan

I have, i admit that. I've called people nutters because when you point out her faults (every human has them) you're branded a "hater" and everyone just doubles down and calls her a "queen" and can't, for some reason see anything but the sun shining out her arse. That's crazy to me, how people can dismiss such behaviour. Like he lying to Emma, kissing Nathan's arse and offering to "take Rosie's place" with Nathan?

I agree it's annoying when people can't admit her faults, but it's equally annoying when people read into every little thing in a negative way, as well and I see that happening far more than the other.

She shouldn't have lied to Emma, it was a weird thing to do, but then her convo in the diary room was odd because she seemed to not remember. I don't actually think that was a lie because she's not stupid. I don;'t agree with the way she was with Khaled at the start, either.

But I've not seen one other HM put under such a negative microscope as much as Ali and those are are just as annoying, if not more because it's fuelled from dislike, than the fans that won't hear a bad word said about her.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

There's talking to housemates and then there's crawling up their bum.

Was she gravitating towards other HMs or what she crawling up their bum?

She's always been close with Nathan anyway so it's kind of a moot point.

I love Emma but she has bitched about nearly everyone yet is always friendly to their face so not sure Emma is the right person to judge.

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Swan

So predictable, nothing to add to the debate, so just resort to calling others "hateful" and "raging". That's an old burnt out tactic to attempt to shut someone down, it doesn't work. Im perfectly calm thank you very much. And would be generally interested in your thoughts on her new formed alliance with Tory, Farage loving, royalist Nathan?

You've been insulting Ali fans for ages. Whilst you're out there getting that fresh air I advised, pick up some self awareness while you're at it Also, what debate? You're not providing any debate, you're just being arsey because someone you don't like on a TV show happens to have fans. I promise there's a big world out there, go explore it.

And I couldn't care less about her being friends with Nathan. Any further questions treacle?

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

You've been insulting Ali fans for ages. Whilst you're out there getting that fresh air I advised, pick up some self awareness while you're at it Also, what debate? You're not providing any debate, you're just being arsey because someone you don't like on a TV show happens to have fans. I promise there's a big world out there, go explore it.

And I couldn't care less about her being friends with Nathan. Any further questions treacle?

Treacle? That's brilliant, haven't been called that for years, love it

I don't like Trump either, but he still won. These things happen. Always healthy to debate it though, huh?

Why are you using "get some fresh air" as an insult, sweetheart?

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Swan

Treacle? That's brilliant, haven't been called that for years, love it

I don't like Trump either, but he still won. These things happen. Always healthy to debate it though, huh?

Why are you using "get some fresh air" as an insult, sweetheart?

It's not an insult, it's genuine advice because your response to Ali is verging on alarming.

But hey, I'm a mentally unwell, gullible cult member according to somebody who never insults people so what do I know?

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

It's not an insult, it's genuine advice because your response to Ali is verging on alarming.

Same old bollocks, you are "worrying, alarming, raging". Im still smiling at the being called "treacle" tbh. I would expect nothing less though. Predictable as always.

I seem to remember you and your "alarming hatred" for Nathan in the daily HL show thread, now you're ok with him, because Ali is? Ok then. Queen of morals.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

It's not an insult, it's genuine advice because your response to Ali is verging on alarming.

But hey, I'm a mentally unwell, gullible cult member according to somebody who never insults people so what do I know?

Help is out there. Good luck