[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I have seen posts from you telling forum members to get a job...... stop pretending you actually care about someone on a newspaper article

By all means show me these posts

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

You can't have a society where having kids is broadly unaffordable, tell British people not to have children if they can't independently afford it, insist on lower migration numbers, and expect a functional economy.

Declining populations are not economically functional, to keep a population static or increasing you need to either let British people have more kids, or accept more immigration. There is no option number 3. I agree in principle that having children should be affordable for the people having them, but the situation in the UK currently is that if that was adhered to, birth rates would be so low that it would be unsustainable for more than a few decades.

It's a simple fact that in 2025 most couples of "child bearing age" can't independently afford to run a family home. Which is a shocking situation for the country, not an individual failing.

I can't help but think if more Dads were willing to stick around things might not be as bad, the simple fact is people need to stop thinking the state is going to give them more than a basic standard of living, if you need more you need to do it yourself ...as a positive she is in a one bed flat, it could be much worse she could be in a hotel room, she says the bedroom is full, with the kids sleeping on matresses on the floor, a bunk bed might solve the issue while they are all small, and get herself a decent sofa bed....she could make it work half the junk in that room could be sold off, you dont need to have a slide in your house for instance ...

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

By all means show me these posts

I know you said it, and who you said it to, as do you, I am not searching for it, so jog on

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I know you said it, and who you said it to, as do you, I am not searching for it, so jog on

We’ll agree to disagree on that one then. I stand by my post. The lack of humanity is astounding.

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I can't help but think if more Dads were willing to stick around things might not be as bad, the simple fact is people need to stop thinking the state is going to give them more than a basic standard of living, if you need more you need to do it yourself ...as a positive she is in a one bed flat, it could be much worse she could be in a hotel room, she says the bedroom is full, with the kids sleeping on matresses on the floor, a bunk bed might solve the issue while they are all small, and get herself a decent sofa bed....she could make it work half the junk in that room could be sold off, you dont need to have a slide in your house for instance ...

The state doesn't give people more than a basic standard of living. And it absolutely is the state's job to ensure that the economy functions in a way that allows families to be able to exist with a reasonable standard of living. That and defense are literally the state's only two purposes.

Also the idea that everyone can have a bigger slice of pie if they work harder is obviously not true; it's just not how economies work. More work as a collective doesn't = more pie to go around. There is only so much pie. If you work hard you might get more of the pie. Ideally that will come from a wealthier person's slice and not the last crust of some other poor soul's... but it certainly doesn't mean "more pie for everyone". It's a myth. It SHOULD work, because the people with most of the pie SHOULDN'T be able to hoard all of the pie for themselves - but they do.

Like I said in principle I don't disagree that every family should be in a position to afford kids before they have kids, but the reality of that in most of the western world's current situation is a drastic reduction in birth rates and (very quickly) economic collapse. Why do you think the states are banning abortion? It's not because Jesus says abortion is bad, it's because they desperately want to avoid population decline. They don't want it to be that people who can't reasonably continue an unplanned pregnancy due to affordability can easily make that choice. Because year on year more and more people would have to say "Can't afford it". Housing is too expensive. Utilities are too expensive. Food is too expensive. Couples can't "afford kids independently" until they're pushing 40 by which point many either physically cannot, or are settled in life and choose not to.

Class sizes of incoming primary schools in many areas are already at record lows.

just have a peek at SK and you will see the effect of young people choosing not to have kids. They're at the point of offering up massive cash incentives.

[UserSince2005]

We really need to start a sterilisation programme

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

We’ll agree to disagree on that one then. I stand by my post. The lack of humanity is astounding.

Go give them half of your wages or shut up trying the preach to others

[arista]

Originally Posted by UserSince2005

We really need to start a sterilisation programme

They will not
as that lady is an exception


In General
Many Women now do not have children
due to the mess of the UK economy

Same in Japan and other nations

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

The state doesn't give people more than a basic standard of living. And it absolutely is the state's job to ensure that the economy functions in a way that allows families to be able to exist with a reasonable standard of living. That and defense are literally the state's only two purposes.

Also the idea that everyone can have a bigger slice of pie if they work harder is obviously not true; it's just not how economies work. More work as a collective doesn't = more pie to go around. There is only so much pie. If you work hard you might get more of the pie. Ideally that will come from a wealthier person's slice and not the last crust of some other poor soul's... but it certainly doesn't mean "more pie for everyone". It's a myth. It SHOULD work, because the people with most of the pie SHOULDN'T be able to hoard all of the pie for themselves - but they do.

Like I said in principle I don't disagree that every family should be in a position to afford kids before they have kids, but the reality of that in most of the western world's current situation is a drastic reduction in birth rates and (very quickly) economic collapse. Why do you think the states are banning abortion? It's not because Jesus says abortion is bad, it's because they desperately want to avoid population decline. They don't want it to be that people who can't reasonably continue an unplanned pregnancy due to affordability can easily make that choice. Because year on year more and more people would have to say "Can't afford it". Housing is too expensive. Utilities are too expensive. Food is too expensive. Couples can't "afford kids independently" until they're pushing 40 by which point many either physically cannot, or are settled in life and choose not to.

Class sizes of incoming primary schools in many areas are already at record lows.

just have a peek at SK and you will see the effect of young people choosing not to have kids. They're at the point of offering up massive cash incentives.

Its not that long ago that everyone was having 3 kids, its just popular now not to bother as its too impactful on peoples lifestyles ....I believe if people really want kids they will have them, I know a young lady and her child has just started school, she wont have a second as she says she has just got her life back and that is the same for a lot of working women now, they refuse to add to their families as they have seen the previous generation struggle with full time jobs and a family and I can't say I blame them

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

We’ll agree to disagree on that one then. I stand by my post. The lack of humanity is astounding.

I actually checked the thread, all your comments were deleted..... very humane

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Go give them half of your wages or shut up trying the preach to others

I help a lot of people out. Far more than you do you I can guarantee you. So maybe you should shut up.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I actually checked the thread, all your comments were deleted..... very humane

Convenient

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

I help a lot of people out. Far more than you do you I can guarantee you. So maybe you should shut up.

How do you know who and what he helps out? I help people out, and I don't have that much to throw around but I make some minor charitable donations. You do talk utter bullshit at times.

[Ammi]

…just to say that QB is correct in saying that in many areas, class sizes are at record lows for the last few years…that obviously has an impact on school staff as well with less working hours for some…I was trying to see when the new housing development was going to be ready for occupation…I think that’s what is being stated in the article, that she’ll be entitled to one of the new homes being built on the new Love Lane development…but that’s saying 10-15 years for completion and Divine is says that she was told it could be 11 years, which fits with that…?….thats an incredibly long time and doesn’t feel an acceptable time…those children won’t be the smaller sizes they are for very long and living and will need a bigger accommodation…I’m sure there’ll be phases to the development and hopefully a much earlier completion time for the earlier phases, I hope that she can be offered a more suitable housing in one of those phases…well, I hope that there are some much earlier than in excess of a 10yr waiting list….

[Ammi]

…it’s made me think of this very recent story actually ….

https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/for...d.php?t=395440

…I hope that the family don’t have the years of wait for an appropriate housing that’s being stated atm and they can see an improvement happening much sooner ….I also hope that ‘calls and communication’ from the lady are not being ignored and that there are many agencies supporting the family…it’s just pointless looking back over interventions that never happened…

[Jessica.]

My mother raised the four of us alone in a council house. She was crippled by depression and health issues after my father died and didn't work for nearly a decade. It's not as easy as just telling people to get a job.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…it’s made me think of this very recent story actually ….

https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/for...d.php?t=395440

…I hope that the family don’t have the years of wait for an appropriate housing that’s being stated atm and they can see an improvement happening much sooner ….I also hope that ‘calls and communication’ from the lady are not being ignored and that there are many agencies supporting the family…it’s just pointless looking back over interventions that never happened…

See this post in that thread

Originally Posted by Livia

Those four beautiful little boys. How awful.

Social Services playing an absolute blinder. Again.

Seems to have to have children die to care these days huh.

I hope this mother and her children get the help they need.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Its not that long ago that everyone was having 3 kids, its just popular now not to bother as its too impactful on peoples lifestyles ....I believe if people really want kids they will have them, I know a young lady and her child has just started school, she wont have a second as she says she has just got her life back and that is the same for a lot of working women now, they refuse to add to their families as they have seen the previous generation struggle with full time jobs and a family and I can't say I blame them

I think that's partly true that big families aren't really in vogue anymore in most Western communities. It is a lot harder to have one even if you want it now though. These days people often can't afford to leave home till they're quite old, it's hard to get on the property ladder, it's hard to get a stable and well paid job. All of which pushes the age at which people have kids further and further back and is a big reason for birth rates plummeting in the West. Not the only reason though - I think there's a perfect storm of economic, social and cultural factors causing it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

If you read the "article" its everyones fault but her own. I dread to think what her kids will be like as teenagers

One hopes they will turn out ok but its a small hope if think

[Glenn.]

I’m sure they’ll be fine once they have appropriate accommodation. Must be hard for her.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

The state doesn't give people more than a basic standard of living. And it absolutely is the state's job to ensure that the economy functions in a way that allows families to be able to exist with a reasonable standard of living. That and defense are literally the state's only two purposes.

Also the idea that everyone can have a bigger slice of pie if they work harder is obviously not true; it's just not how economies work. More work as a collective doesn't = more pie to go around. There is only so much pie. If you work hard you might get more of the pie. Ideally that will come from a wealthier person's slice and not the last crust of some other poor soul's... but it certainly doesn't mean "more pie for everyone". It's a myth. It SHOULD work, because the people with most of the pie SHOULDN'T be able to hoard all of the pie for themselves - but they do.

Like I said in principle I don't disagree that every family should be in a position to afford kids before they have kids, but the reality of that in most of the western world's current situation is a drastic reduction in birth rates and (very quickly) economic collapse. Why do you think the states are banning abortion? It's not because Jesus says abortion is bad, it's because they desperately want to avoid population decline. They don't want it to be that people who can't reasonably continue an unplanned pregnancy due to affordability can easily make that choice. Because year on year more and more people would have to say "Can't afford it". Housing is too expensive. Utilities are too expensive. Food is too expensive. Couples can't "afford kids independently" until they're pushing 40 by which point many either physically cannot, or are settled in life and choose not to.

Class sizes of incoming primary schools in many areas are already at record lows.

just have a peek at SK and you will see the effect of young people choosing not to have kids. They're at the point of offering up massive cash incentives.

well that is not strictly true is it, you are not rising up through the ranks by sitting on your hands and doing nothing, you are obviously delivering and being rewarded for it, your wife went back to Uni, not an easy thing to do when you have two kids but she did, that was hard but it pushed her upwards in life, we can all take a bit of time to try and improve our lives however small, I would say to the lady in the OP, keep fighting but in the meantime you can make your surroundings a bit less cramped and use the space a bit more wisely.... the unfortunate thing for her is that she is not alone in her situation and who knows where she is on the housing list, the fact that she already has a roof albeit a small one over her head is more than many others have

[Crimson Dynamo]

this "story" has been posted on X and I am afraid the reaction has been less than favourable from the Great British Public...

https://x.com/dave24144975/status/1885781297714393091

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

this "story" has been posted on X and I am afraid the reaction has been less than favourable from the Great British Public...

https://x.com/dave24144975/status/1885781297714393091

“Go Home!”
“Send them all back”
“I’m sure she’d be much better off in Africa”
“ Remigrate with enough money to buy a decent size house in her Homeland

Makes economic and every other kind of sense”

[Glenn.]

The rest of the comments are just as disgusting as those posted here about her.

[Vanessa]

Her children her responsibility. Although the fathers should also help.