[arista]

This is Live Debate on Politics Live BBC2HD.

PM Starmer had a meeting
last night, it was packed.

Dianne Abbott MP was angry she could not
get in.


This is not about young people who are ill.

It is about the massive amount of young people
who Refuse to work.

[Glenn.]

Educate them better then.

[Beso]

Are striking teachers the best role models for that, @Glenn

[Glenn.]

why do they strike

[Beso]

Low pay...a bad example to set the young who's pay is dictated by age.

[arista]

Disabled Charities
They are all saying it is wrong.


But to be fair
PM Starmer has yet to announce this all

[Redway]

Give them better job-opportunities, then.

[Livia]

If you want money you should work for it if you are able. I did all kinds of crappy, thankless jobs when I was young but I earned my own money. I think youngsters now want top pay for minimal input.

[Quantum Boy]

If you want people to work they need to have realistic goals to work towards. A large number of people hitting their 20's these days are stretched to the max - they have no hope of saving a deposit today, let alone planning for one in 10 years time when house prices will be even higher. Expecting people who feel hopeless to work hard is never going to work.

In fact it's worse than that; previous generations have felt hopeless... but the current situation is that we've had such a sustained period of people being told not to expect much, that they are comfortable with hopelessness. They're happy to see what the next day brings, and the next, and coast without planning. They won't have kids so they don't have to worry about it all that much. And then govts. will continue getting themselves into a panic about low birth rates and aging populations (whilst the populations that are left refuse to allow any migration to make up the shortfall ... lol).

'tis falling apart at the seams, folks. Not the country - the entire political philosophy behind modern western civilisation. It's broken .

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Beso

Low pay...a bad example to set the young who's pay is dictated by age.

The teachers need a raise then

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

The teachers need a raise then

they get half a year off and had 2 years off for the pLandemic

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

The teachers need a raise then

@Glenn.

And the kids need to do nothing until they do as well.

Cause in my day as a 17-19 yr old, if you wanted anything, like a holiday in spain with your mates(that's all we had, no phones etc back then, or monthly subscriptions etc) you worked. Like Livia, I did anything, and had some great times doing the shittest things. All worth it for the drunken escapades I could have had had I not already had children. That's where my money went.

I blame covid, I really do believe its riddled or raddled everyones minds, especially the young up coming workers who would have been early or mid puberty during covid, and now working age.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Beso

@Glenn.

And the kids need to do nothing until they do as well.

Cause in my day as a 17-19 yr old, if you wanted anything, like a holiday in spain with your mates(that's all we had, no phones etc back then, or monthly subscriptions etc) you worked. Like Livia, I did anything, and had some great times doing the shittest things. All worth it for the drunken escapades I could have had had I not already had children. That's where my money went.

I blame covid, I really do believe its riddled or raddled everyones minds, especially the young up coming workers who would have been early or mid puberty during covid, and now working age.

It isn’t your day.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Beso

@Glenn.

And the kids need to do nothing until they do as well.

Cause in my day as a 17-19 yr old, if you wanted anything, like a holiday in spain with your mates(that's all we had, no phones etc back then, or monthly subscriptions etc) you worked. Like Livia, I did anything, and had some great times doing the shittest things. All worth it for the drunken escapades I could have had had I not already had children. That's where my money went.

I blame covid, I really do believe its riddled or raddled everyones minds, especially the young up coming workers who would have been early or mid puberty during covid, and now working age.

Ugh. Here we go. Covid-this, Covid-that. Are people not tired of peddling that line half a decade later?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Redway

Ugh. Here we go. Covid-this, Covid-that. Are people not tired of peddling that line half a decade later?

You cant ignore it is a factor, people no longer want to go into the office even a few days a week is not acceptable, there is ALOT of economic inactivity in the over 50s where covid reset peoples thinking about the 9 to 5, and as for young people they just dont want to work, and as soon as they cite mental health the benefits start flowing..

[bots]

covid did change the attitudes of many people toward work, young and older alike. With good reason to, some things are more important than work, but that doesn't mean people shouldn't contribute to the country. It's about getting the right balance

In my day, we were allowed to take part time work from 14 and nearly everybody did. We worked everywhere we could doing whatever we could to earn a few quid. Those times seem to have all but gone

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

If you want people to work they need to have realistic goals to work towards. A large number of people hitting their 20's these days are stretched to the max - they have no hope of saving a deposit today, let alone planning for one in 10 years time when house prices will be even higher. Expecting people who feel hopeless to work hard is never going to work.

In fact it's worse than that; previous generations have felt hopeless... but the current situation is that we've had such a sustained period of people being told not to expect much, that they are comfortable with hopelessness. They're happy to see what the next day brings, and the next, and coast without planning. They won't have kids so they don't have to worry about it all that much. And then govts. will continue getting themselves into a panic about low birth rates and aging populations (whilst the populations that are left refuse to allow any migration to make up the shortfall ... lol).

'tis falling apart at the seams, folks. Not the country - the entire political philosophy behind modern western civilisation. It's broken .

Thats the thing though the inactivity is in the 18 to 24 bracket, not sure how many of those have aspirations to buy a house, going on holiday and having a good time, buying clothes but they just dont seem to need any of that, I guess the bank of Mum and Dad is picking up the tab

[Ammi]

…of course Kier Starmer has said that ‘young people should not be on benefits’ as he’s about to cut benefits…what else would he say to explain cuts as being the way forward and how many individual cases has he looked into etc…

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…of course Kier Starmer has said that ‘young people should not be on benefits’ as he’s about to cut benefits…what else would he say to explain cuts as being the way forward and how many individual cases has he looked into etc…

From what I can gather they are going to cut benefits to the cohort who cannot actively look for work, like kids who need to be tube fed and are paraplegic....while leaving the benefits for those who can actively seek work alone, that make alot of sense

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Educate them better then.

This.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Cherie

From what I can gather they are going to cut benefits to the cohort who cannot actively look for work, like kids who need to be tube fed and are paraplegic....while leaving the benefits for those who can actively seek work alone, that make alot of sense

…oh I didn’t mean that those were specifically the benefits that were going to be targeted…/…those of young people…it’s more of a typical distraction and look over here type tactic when an unpopular government decision is being made, the discussions are directed elsewhere by the politicians…

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Cherie

You cant ignore it is a factor, people no longer want to go into the office even a few days a week is not acceptable, there is ALOT of economic inactivity in the over 50s where covid reset peoples thinking about the 9 to 5, and as for young people they just dont want to work, and as soon as they cite mental health the benefits start flowing..

Covid is used as a comfort blanket to the fact that society in this country has had major problems since 2016.

Economically speaking it probably started in 2008.

[bots]

there are all sorts of reasons for people not working. There isn't a solution that fits all, there never is, and the government knows it. The electorate is being played

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by bots

there are all sorts of reasons for people not working. There isn't a solution that fits all, there never is, and the government knows it. The electorate is being played

…the world is generally quite unsteady atm…although there are no conscription plans right now, it’s something that some countries are considering and these kind of comments from a country leader also keep those seeds planted as well…

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Cherie

From what I can gather they are going to cut benefits to the cohort who cannot actively look for work, like kids who need to be tube fed and are paraplegic....while leaving the benefits for those who can actively seek work alone, that make alot of sense

You are being spoon fed bull sh1t

Like the pensioners got looked after, not

They will target any one and as usual the most vulnerable will get abused