[Quantum Boy]

@Redway Since they decided to close the thread and remove the right to reply to follow on from that;

Wht is it that makes you think I have a stance on the Trans debate that in any way suggests a position of neutrality or that makes my position unclear? Genuine question; it's one of the few issues on here where I know my stance is very clear and far from neutral, and I don't think it was anywhere close to neutral in the recent thread either, which is why I questioned your comprehension of what I was saying -- because to describe my stance on Trans issues as "neutral" is a fairly clear lack of comprehension of what I was saying, in that thread and in any other thread on the issue I've commented on.

To counter another point made that I wasn't able to reply to; I wasn't saying that you "need to go back to primary school" either; I said "I'm not a primary school teacher". What I meant by that was I don't owe anyone a "less debate-y" or simplified version of ... anything ... if you don't like my "writing style" (on a debate forum, I might add) then... well... tough tits don't read it. The forum isn't called Natural Discourse of Expression and News.

[Redway]

It’s not specific to that thread. It’s every time with you, and this thread is further proof of that. You don’t seem to be capable of chiming your opinion in naturally. It always sounds like a for-and-against debate that you don’t commit to on a directly personal level. And it does my head in. Periodt.

[Redway]

Like I said, I definitely don’t have an issue with your opinions or even with you as a person. It’s your communication style. It’s too eager to turn everything into a debate rather than letting opinions flow more naturally. Maybe neutral wasn’t the right word in this specific context but your style of expressing an opinion is just oh-so-very … ugh. It always sounds like a semi-formal debate.

The whole thing about primary-school teacher vs. just-plain ‘go back to primary school’ is a prime example of whar I’m talking about. When are you gonna get it?

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Redway

It’s not specific to that thread. It’s every time with you, and this thread is further proof of that. You don’t seem to be capable of chiming your opinion in naturally. It always sounds like a for-and-against debate that you don’t commit to on a directly personal level. And it does my head in. Periodt.

So for an opinion to be natural it has to be ill-considered, sweeping and one-sided. Fair enough; I shall not be doing that so your head's going to continue to be done in, sadly. Like I said; don't read it if you're struggling, read it and reply if you want and I'll reply as I see fit. I'm not a massive fan of your posting style either but it's nowhere close to being enough of an issue to give a second thought . Bit odd really.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

So for an opinion to be natural it has to be ill-considered, sweeping and one-sided. Fair enough; I shall not be doing that so your head's going to continue to be done in, sadly. Like I said; don't read it if you're struggling, read it and reply if you want and I'll reply as I see fit. I'm not a massive fan of your posting style either but it's nowhere close to being enough of an issue to give a second thought . Bit odd really.

I’m not anti-trans. (that’s one thing I’m as clear on as you). I’m just talking about your general style of posting, which cuts across threads, and the thing is, this thread isn’t proving me wrong. But just know that “simplified” and ‘less objectively contentious, in every sitiation’ are not the same thing.

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Redway

It always sounds like a semi-formal debate.

It's a debates forum and surely - SURELY - there are more than enough people casually running their mouthes on here already. I feel absolutely no need to join in. In fact when it does happen it's an indication that I'm having an off day and probably shouldn't have logged on at all.

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Redway

I’m not anti-trans. (that’s one thing I’m as clear on as you). I’m just talking about your general style of posting, which cuts across threads, and the thing is, this thread isn’t proving me wrong. But just know that “simplified” and ‘less objectively contentious, in every sitiation’ are not the same thing.

Think we've stumbled on part of the issue there; I'm never posting with any intention of "proving anyone wrong", I'm not here to change hearts and minds so if you've got that impression you're off the mark. Which, again, doesn't matter - I literally couldn't care less. And that's not a personal jibe. I care as much about your impression of me as I care about anyone on TiBB's impression of me, which is zero. I hope at least that much is clear .

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

It's a debates forum and surely - SURELY - there are more than enough people casually running their mouthes on here already. I feel absolutely no need to join in. In fact when it does happen it's an indication that I'm having an off day and probably shouldn't have logged on at all.

That’s as may-be, Mr-premium-ENTP, but there’s just so much of that with you across the board, outside and inside that section that … ya. It feels like everything you say is intended to be a debate.

Get some brandy down you. It’s Friday night and it’s not that deep.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

Think we've stumbled on part of the issue there; I'm never posting with any intention of "proving anyone wrong", I'm not here to change hearts and minds so if you've got that impression you're off the mark. Which, again, doesn't matter - I literally couldn't care less. And that's not a personal jibe. I care as much about your impression of me as I care about anyone on TiBB's impression of me, which is zero. I hope at least that much is clear .

We both know that’s not true, otherwise you wouldn’t have gone to the effort of making a whole thread on this.

Clarifying that you’re not trying to prove me wrong is another example of precisely what I’m talking about. OMFG. You’re just not getting it, are you?

Again, get some brandy down you, lad. Or CBD. Or Valium. Whatever, whichever. Whatever your vice of tranquility is this Friday night, you need to calm down.

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Redway

We both know that’s not true, otherwise you wouldn’t have gone to the effort of making a whole thread on this.

Again, get some brandy down you, lad. Or CBD. Or Valium. Whatever, whichever. Whatever your vice of tranquility is this Friday night, you need to calm down.

I don't habitually obliterate my evenings with alcohol or any other substances, I'm not sorry to say. Slight ODD means that I can't see a thread sitting with comments left and locked to reply; like I said ridiculous choice from whoever locked it, and the only reason I had to make a follow-on thread. It's not about caring, I'm perfectly aware of "how to be liked" on this forum, it's not complicated, and not a game I'm interested in. I care about fairness, I could not care less if anyone "likes" it, with a slight leaning to preferring most don't on here. For fairly obvious reasons.

I'm not un-calm

[Crimson Dynamo]

This closing threads thing is new and rather concerning. Perhaps James can update the forum on this new policy of censorship as I am sure all members would be interested going forward??

[Redway]

I don’t see eye-to-eye with Livia on everything but we understand each-other. I’m going to take her advice and just not bother getting further into this cycle of further debate (which is exactly what I’m talking about in the first place) with you. I’m gonna have a Strongbow and I’m gonna watch Corrie and enjoy me Friday night. Bye-bye now.

If you still want to argue, I’ve heard plastic Aldi bags generally don’t talk back and are easy to debate with.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

This closing threads thing is new and rather concerning. Perhaps James can update the forum on this new policy of censorship as I am sure all members would be interested going forward??

No-doubt this thread will be closed, too. Just like every other one that questions anything to do with the running of this forum or descends into a bit of tat-for-tat between FMs.

I’ve said my own. And that goes for both of you. You people will not send me to an early grave.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Redway

No-doubt this thread will be closed, too. Just like every other one that questions anything to do with the running of this forum or descends into a bit of tat-for-tat between FMs.

I’ve said my own.

Yes but Redway it seems now that mods get 3 reports from members and rather than moderate its just let's close the thread. That is pretty useless to keep the forum alive?

No?

[MTVN]

Well that thread in question was from October and descended into a bit of a shitshow on being bumped so closing it was very sensible if I do say so myself

Much of this thread is a fine 1:1 debate but could be carried out over PM too

[Redway]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well that thread in question was from October and descended into a bit of a shitshow on being bumped so closing it was very sensible if I do say so myself

Much of this thread is a fine 1:1 debate but could be carried out over PM too

QT and CD are big boys. Closing and deleting threads/comments when two posters don’t see eye-to-eye and not perm.-banning people like michael21 immediately, letting them roam the forum for years with all their perviness and illiterate abusiveness to boot, makes this site look cheaper than swearing or people disagreeing.

We’re fundamentally all here because we have some level of affiliation with Big Brother. Arguments are subject to modification pre.-transmission but they’re not necessarily filtered out completely. The men, women and teenagers of TiBB should be able to not see eye-to-eye, within reason, and not be cancelled.

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well that thread in question was from October and descended into a bit of a shitshow on being bumped so closing it was very sensible if I do say so myself

Much of this thread is a fine 1:1 debate but could be carried out over PM too

No real issue with closing a thread that's gone completely off-piste but you can't leave behind the posts that lead to it being closed - or at least, mine seem to be regularly deleted when it's those that have caused the thread to be closed . I'm being 100% genuine when I say all I'm asking for is fairness and consistency - it's not so much about the actual decision.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

No real issue with closing a thread that's gone completely off-piste but you can't leave behind the posts that lead to it being closed - or at least, mine seem to be regularly deleted when it's those that have caused the thread to be closed . I'm being 100% genuine when I say all I'm asking for is fairness and consistency - it's not so much about the actual decision.

Fair enough, deleting a thread is often better for that reason but that can also make people aggrieved when they spend time posting on a thread and it just disappears

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Redway

If you still want to argue, I’ve heard plastic Aldi bags generally don’t talk back and are easy to debate with.

Now Redway that's a bit of a silly comment, isn't it, when I'm not the one looking to kick the legs out from under debates that are "too debate-like" in favour of an informal chat .

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well that thread in question was from October and descended into a bit of a shitshow on being bumped so closing it was very sensible if I do say so myself

Much of this thread is a fine 1:1 debate but could be carried out over PM too

But your job is to moderate not decide what threads are valid. I doubt any participants thought it was a sh1tshow so why did you ask a non participant?

[Redway]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Fair enough, deleting a thread is often better for that reason but that can also make people aggrieved when they spend time posting on a thread and it just disappears

You’ve got to stop doing that.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

But your job is to moderate not decide what threads are valid. I doubt any participants thought it was a sh1tshow so why did you ask a non participant?

Closing threads is moderating and you are welcome

[Quantum Boy]

Bit worrying that the only thing everyone can agree on is that threads get closed/deleted too quickly .

[Redway]

I’m surprised this thread hasn’t been deleted already.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Redway

I’m surprised this thread hasn’t been deleted already.

Agreed