[Swan]

Right so, off to a bad start with the homophobic comments, and the silly way in which he'd "turn someone straight" etc...But since then......

He's apologised for it, knew he did wrong, admitted it was clumsy (as he should). Whats more i think what he's done to actually PROVE he's genuinely remorseful is make an effort JoJo, and Danny in the house. They have forgave him, and welcomed him with open arms.

They had that playful joke when JoJo was in "disguise", he's had decent chats with Danny, who seems to be quite fond of Mickey. And just everything else really. He seems to get on better with JoJo and Danny than he does any of the HM's.

So my question is, if he's been forgiven by the very same people his comments were aimed it, and himself made an effort to get to know and understand Danny's drag queen stuff, how to address him and so on, and has genuinely been respectful since that early incident, would you forgive him?

I can't speak for the LGBT community, but i think he's done enough to not be branded a "homophobic nasty bigot" now.

[BBXX]

I personally don’t think he’s a homophobe; but he did say homophobic stuff. I believe it’s from a place of ignorance more than anything.

If anything I think he’s probably more sexist than anything. The joke about turning a gay woman straight (through non consensual sex) was absolutely the words of a misogynist whose ego couldn’t hack a woman not wanting to sleep with him.

[Jessica.]

Some would argue I'm not part of the lgbt community but I'll answer anyway - No, he's a very troubled man who is very unpredictable and I'm sure he'd call someone a slur in a flash again if they said the wrong thing to him. There are lots of stories about him doing unsavoury things throughout his life and he ended up getting ejected from the house so it's hard to see him as genuine.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

Some would argue I'm not part of the lgbt community but I'll answer anyway - No, he's a very troubled man who is very unpredictable and I'm sure he'd call someone a slur in a flash again if they said the wrong thing to him. There are lots of stories about him doing unsavoury things throughout his life and he ended up getting ejected from the house so it's hard to see him as genuine.

But he wasn't ejected for anything homophobic, his temper has let him down. But from what we all know so far, his outburst wasn't homophobic related.

He might have had his troubles, but i feel after being around JoJo and Danny in the house, he seems to have a better understanding of what is right, and wrong to say concerning the LGBT community.

I dunno, so many calling him this massive evil homophobe X now, all things considered, is a bit harsh.

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Swan

But he wasn't ejected for anything homophobic, his temper has let him down. But from what we all know so far, his outburst wasn't homophobic related.

He might have had his troubles, but i feel after being around JoJo and Danny in the house, he seems to have a better understanding of what is right, and wrong to say concerning the LGBT community.

I dunno, so many calling him this massive evil homophobe X now, all things considered, is a bit harsh.

I'm saying I think he still is homophobic but if he isn't misogyny and intimidation are no better.

[arista]

But he got on with Danny
Fine.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

I'm saying I think he still is homophobic but if he isn't misogyny and intimidation are no better.

Do you not think JoJo's and Danny's warmth towards him is very telling though? I mean they live in there with him, we get to see 40 mins a day, theyre in there with him 24/7

[Jessica.]

Have you all not heard the trope of how someone can't be racist because they have a black friend? Just because Mickey got on with two people from the community for a couple of days doesn't change anything at all.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

Have you all not heard the trope of how someone can't be racist because they have a black friend? Just because Mickey got on with two people from the community for a couple of days doesn't change anything at all.

No no, of course that's a thing. Im just saying, if JoJo and Danny felt he was genuinely homophobic they wouldn't be so warm towards him in the house. Especially Danny, he seems to really like Mickey. And Danny doesn't suffer fools, that's obvious.

[Benjamin]

I personally don’t think he’s homophobic, but he did keep repeating offensive (and homophobic) things.
Even when people tried to stop him. He was trying to be funny but in very bad taste.

JoJo had the right to be offended as it was offensive, but seems to have forgiven him, or at least moved on.

I don’t know much about him outside of this. He sounds like he’s lived a life where he hasn’t had to care or think too much about what he says (especially as he seems to not be very social) and I think he pushes boundaries without thinking of the consequences.Meaning the BB house probably isn’t the ideal place to be.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Mickey was a great ally and will be sorely missed

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

Mickey was a great ally and will be sorely missed

I wouldn’t call him an ally.

[thesheriff443]

A gay person’s opinion means no more than a straight person’s opinion and vice versa
Not all gay people are nice people same for straight people
It’s easy to judge but a lot harder to be judged

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

A gay person’s opinion means no more than a straight person’s opinion and vice versa
Not all gay people are nice people same for straight people
It’s easy to judge but a lot harder to be judged

The question was for us in the community and our views. Nobody is trying to “outdo” those not in the community with our opinion.

[Liam-]

Yeah I don’t think he’s necessarily homophobic, he just seems to be very ignorant and careless of anybody else around him, I think the casualness of his aggression is the main problem, what with the whole ‘corrective rape’ vibe he had going on with Jojo and now his aggression and violent threats towards Chris, an incredibly flawed human being with bad tendencies but he doesn’t seem like a generally awful person

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

I personally don’t think he’s homophobic, but he did keep repeating offensive (and homophobic) things.
Even when people tried to stop him. He was trying to be funny but in very bad taste.

JoJo had the right to be offended as it was offensive, but seems to have forgiven him, or at least moved on.

I don’t know much about him outside of this. He sounds like he’s lived a life where he hasn’t had to care or think too much about what he says (especially as he seems to not be very social) and I think he pushes boundaries without thinking of the consequences.Meaning the BB house probably isn’t the ideal place to be.

I think that's fair and he's made a few comments about having a short fuse which he's worked on etc which suggests that even now we're seeing quite a tame version of Mickey

I think he has a lot of demons. He obviously felt that the best way to tackle those recently was to isolate himself but that comes with it's own issues, he's pretty out of touch with what's acceptable and what isn't

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

The question was for us in the community and our views. Nobody is trying to “outdo” those not in the community with our opinion.

True but at the end of the day all views are worth the same nothing

Mickeys words and actions got him removed
No one really cares, next week no one will be talking about good old Mickey

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Yeah I don’t think he’s necessarily homophobic, he just seems to be very ignorant and careless of anybody else around him, I think the casualness of his aggression is the main problem, what with the whole ‘corrective rape’ vibe he had going on with Jojo and now his aggression and violent threats towards Chris, an incredibly flawed human being with bad tendencies but he doesn’t seem like a generally awful person

Do you think that JoJo's forgiveness, and his friendship with JoJo and Danny, as gay people, don't see Mickey as a threat?

I mean look at the clip, Danny and JoJo are trying to calm and help him. They seem quite fond of the guy.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by BBXX

I personally don’t think he’s a homophobe; but he did say homophobic stuff. I believe it’s from a place of ignorance more than anything.

If anything I think he’s probably more sexist than anything. The joke about turning a gay woman straight (through non consensual sex) was absolutely the words of a misogynist whose ego couldn’t hack a woman not wanting to sleep with him.

…yeah, I touched on that with you briefly in another thread…obviously his offensive and upsetting comments aimed at JoJo were homophobic …?…I think what got lost in it all quite a bit for me but what was very significant is that he specifically targeted a woman in a way that he hasn’t targeted any man in there …so I think he has a real struggle in relating to women possibly…unless it’s in a physical/sexual type way…hmmmm, I don’t think that he comes from a place of ignorance, though….i really to get the vibe that it’s more a place of misogyny….

…edited also to say that Mickey apparently did spend some time with Gareth Thomas/rugby player…he flew to Wales to talk to him about playing him in a movie/series, I’m not sure which…because he heard his story about coming out as gay in the rugby world…?…and he felt huge admiration for him and wanted to meet him and wanted to portray Gareth…

…I don’t think that he has the part, though……

[Barry.]

It’s a hard one. He was born in a time LGBT was kind of looked down on. I think he’s not Homophobic but he’s a creep to women

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Barry.

It’s a hard one. He was born in a time LGBT was kind of looked down on. I think he’s not Homophobic but he’s a creep to women

He is, but just like 99% of men from his Hollywood era. Not excusing him, but still.

[Glenn.]

He was homophobic and then got himself thrown out for being aggressive and threatening. He’s not someone I’d give any time to.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

He was homophobic and then got himself thrown out for being aggressive and threatening. He’s not someone I’d give any time to.

He will be absolutely devastated

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

He was homophobic and then got himself thrown out for being aggressive and threatening. He’s not someone I’d give any time to.

There's a reason he's spent the last 6 years of his life alone and probably will the rest of it.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

He was homophobic and then got himself thrown out for being aggressive and threatening. He’s not someone I’d give any time to.

Glenn, you call women sweetheart and babe all the time, when they literally ask you not to?!