[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

MTVN and Netto are speaking sense, I pretty much agree with their points.

When it comes to all these 'threats to British Culture' it's quite laughable, Christianity was brought to England by the Romans and they pretty much built us up from nothing, the Anglo Saxons and Vikings left their marks too and with the British Empire we took other elements of other countries as well. Our culture basically consists of a myriad of other countries' cultures and things like Burkhas aren't threatening our culture it's just another newer element to it.

If you want to be quitessentially British go and engage in a few Pagan rituals and have a rave or two in Stone Henge because Paganism is pretty much where we started from, everything else we pretty much borrowed from other countries.

Well said Dezzy, I agree.

Originally Posted by InOne

Usually the types you find in Bristol or Avebury, middle class kids wanting to be 'different'.

Not that that has anything to do with the topic, just felt like saying it

Oi, I'm from Birstol

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

By the same token British women have the right not to have such a blatant representation of female oppression shoved in their faces on their own doorstep!

Angus is right - it is no coincidence that most supporting burkas are male - who clearly have no proper understanding of the subject, how could they! So now you are saying that the rights of Muslim women override the rights of British women!

Maybe some Muslim women do 'choose' to wear the burka - but how many really do and are saying they do because they are being pressurised by men or their culture to do so - or they have been so brainwashed, they actually believe it! It is nowhere near as clear-cut as some imply! People shouldn't take everything at face value - things aren't always what they seem!

Well Netto said she was a female so thats your theory gone.

And we dont know the statistics as to how many UK burqa-wearers have been forced into wearing it, so it's pointless to make presumptions, but I find it unlikely that that the majority are not wearing it out of their own free will.

[cupid stunt]

finally sumone sees sense, that burkha should be banned EVERYWHERE

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Talk about undermine your own heritage! Thankfully we don't all have such a negative attitude! Many of us are proud of our country and our roots! Britain does have its own culture and identity - and is entitled to keep it!

I'm not undermining it, I'm just highlighting the fact that we were built on multiculturism due to all the different elements British culture represents. Without the influences of other countries and cultures we wouldn't be where we are now.

Who said I'm not proud of my roots? You can stop grasping at straws now.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by cupid stunt

finally sumone sees sense, that burkha should be banned EVERYWHERE

Who the **** unbanned you? I thought you had a permaban.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well said Dezzy, I agree.



Oi, I'm from Birstol



Well Netto said she was a female so thats your theory gone.

And we dont know the statistics as to how many UK burqa-wearers have been forced into wearing it, so it's pointless to make presumptions, but I find it unlikely that that the majority are not wearing it out of their own free will.

I said MOST not ALL - so no that's not my theory gone!

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

No it doesn't - it gives several examples!

Any public place could be targeted - including colleges/uni's - if security is lax - they are most likely to go for easy targets - could be anything! Schools and colleges have been targeted by many nutters over the years - with many students killed, both here and abroad - there is no way you can say that terrorists wouldn't do so! They are hardly adverse to attacking innocent civilians!

National security aside - burkas pose a security risk in other ways in the education system! With a person's identity completely hidden - the system is laid wide open to potential abuse - cheating in exams, attendance in lectures etc - anyone could be under those things!

i never go near anybody with them burkas because they could be hiding anything.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Who the **** unbanned you? I thought you had a permaban.

Careful Jack - you'll give yourself a hernia!

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Careful Jack - you'll give yourself a hernia!

his already got it.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Who the **** unbanned you? I thought you had a permaban.

So long as posts are within Rules
you have no worrys.


This thread is Full of Fights.


Back On Topic
this College is within its Rights.


Sign Of The Times.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

By the same token British women have the right not to have such a blatant representation of female oppression shoved in their faces on their own doorstep!

Angus is right - it is no coincidence that most supporting burkas are male - who clearly have no proper understanding of the subject, how could they! So now you are saying that the rights of Muslim women override the rights of British women!

Maybe some Muslim women do 'choose' to wear the burka - but how many really do and are saying they do because they are being pressurised by men or their culture to do so - or they have been so brainwashed, they actually believe it! It is nowhere near as clear-cut as some imply! People shouldn't take everything at face value - things aren't always what they seem!

It seems a lot of people on here seem to find it inconceivable that the MAJORITY of muslim women have no option BUT to wear the burkha - a refusal to do so is just not possible. It's not a matter of choice so much as a matter of doing as they are told. I lived in Kuwait, Saudi and Oman for a total of 7 years with my husband, and it's not funny to be expected not to speak unless spoken to, to walk meekly behind my husband,nor be allowed to drive (in Saudi), and not to voice any opinions on anything remotely topical or political. It was forbidden to talk with any male unless my husband was present for fear of accusations of being a loose woman (again in Saudi) and believe me you wouldn't want to get on the wrong side of the Saudi police. Kuwait was somewhat more liberal, at least I was allowed to drive a car. Note the emphasis on "allowed".

I was treated as a second class citizen which is, of course, how muslim women are still being treated today. It might be their culture, but such sexist attitudes have no place in Britain. It doesn't seem to have occurred to some FMs that banning the burkha, at least in public buildings etc, could actually be the first step in liberating these women. There are FMs banging on about how we should accommodate all cultures - fair enough but I balk at encouraging reactionary and oppressive cultural practises. Apart from the obvious security issues of concealing identity and promoting anonymity, the burkha isolates and separates the wearer from others, and of course this is the exact reason muslim men insist their women wear it.

[InOne]

Here is a good vid. It's not quite on topic, but it is to do with how we use the word 'tolerance' and how moat people don't think outside their own little box.

Youtube video

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by InOne

Here is a good vid. It's not quite on topic, but it is to do with how we use the word 'tolerance' and how moat people don't think outside their own little box.

Youtube video

But Britain is supposed to welcome all these cultures and assimilate them into its society - at the expense of its own culture and way of life according to many bleeding heart liberals.

As we are now a multi-cultural society, our own historical British culture and identity are no longer important or valid, don't you know - only to be sneered at by those that seek to change the cultural demographic of this country!

Despite the fact that some cultures take liberties and attempt to abuse our hospitality and tolerance - how dare we complain! Much better to keep our heads down, obediently comply and walk around with the word 'doormat' deeply imprinted on our foreheads - after all we can't risk offending such cultures and their fragile sensibilities, even when they quite openly and blatantly offend us and ours!

Such childish tit for tat nonsense can't be tolerated as it is our duty, as a welcoming multi-cultural society, to turn the other cheek, allegedly! Well as, the lady herself once said - this lady isn't for turning!

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

i never go near anybody with them burkas because they could be hiding anything.

Massively valid point jedward fever. I went in to a store and some lads had their hoods up as it was raining heavy, They were told take the hoods off by a security guy. They did answer back and say let us get in first,the security guy said, 'we need to see who comes in and out'.

Then in come this group with the Burkha's on and nothing said at all, I just thought they could bring anything in. leave anything anywhere,then I often think who is really under there anyway ARE they all really genuine Muslim people. Really, anyone could dress like that for any reason.

That is why although I can understand the oppression of some Husbands to their wives being the reason for wearing them, it is in my view time our Govt, banned it in all public areas, all Citizens and visitors of any country in my opinion have the right to see who they are sharing, events, buildings and streets with as a right and in this time also for personal and National security.
As jedward fever said, anything could be hidden in them.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Massively valid point jedward fever. I went in to a store and some lads had their hoods up as it was raining heavy, They were told take the hoods off by a security guy. They did answer back and say let us get in first,the security guy said, 'we need to see who comes in and out'.

Then in come this group with the Burkha's on and nothing said at all, I just thought they could bring anything in. leave anything anywhere,then I often think who is really under there anyway ARE they all really genuine Muslim people. Really, anyone could dress like that for any reason.

That is why although I can understand the oppression of some Husbands to their wives being the reason for wearing them, it is in my view time our Govt, banned it in all public areas, all Citizens and visitors of any country in my opinion have the right to see who they are sharing, events, buildings and streets with as a right and in this time also for personal and National security.
As jedward fever said, anything could be hidden in them.

That is an obvious issue that some choose to ignore!

People are uncomfortable in that situation and hesitant to act and ask a burka wearer to remove their burka - partly out of respect and partly out of fear of the consequences - and some Muslims rely on that! It is ridiculous and noone should be put in that situation!

I wonder what will happen with these new scanning machines at airports - I hope noone is proposing that those in a burka should be exempt from being scanned, same as the rest of us! Many people don't like the idea of it and would rather not, but it is something we have to endure for the sake of security - absolutely no exceptions!

[InOne]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

But Britain is supposed to welcome all these cultures and assimilate them into its society - at the expense of its own culture and way of life according to many bleeding heart liberals.

As we are now a multi-cultural society, our own historical British culture and identity are no longer important or valid, don't you know - only to be sneered at by those that seek to change the cultural demographic of this country!

Despite the fact that some cultures take liberties and attempt to abuse our hospitality and tolerance - how dare we complain! Much better to keep our heads down, obediently comply and walk around with the word 'doormat' deeply imprinted on our foreheads - after all we can't risk offending such cultures and their fragile sensibilities, even when they quite openly and blatantly offend us and ours!

Such childish tit for tat nonsense can't be tolerated as it is our duty, as a welcoming multi-cultural society, to turn the other cheek, allegedly! Well as, the lady herself once said - this lady isn't for turning!

Yes, but that video is going on about if Muslims are going on about Tolerence then they should take a look at themselves in the mirror. It is also funny which 'brothers and sisters' just choose to get angry about.

[BB_Eye]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Who the **** unbanned you? I thought you had a permaban.

This

What the ****, mods?

[Tom4784]

It wasn't a permaban guys, just a very long ban.

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

But Britain is supposed to welcome all these cultures and assimilate them into its society - at the expense of its own culture and way of life according to many bleeding heart liberals.

As we are now a multi-cultural society, our own historical British culture and identity are no longer important or valid, don't you know - only to be sneered at by those that seek to change the cultural demographic of this country!

Despite the fact that some cultures take liberties and attempt to abuse our hospitality and tolerance - how dare we complain! Much better to keep our heads down, obediently comply and walk around with the word 'doormat' deeply imprinted on our foreheads - after all we can't risk offending such cultures and their fragile sensibilities, even when they quite openly and blatantly offend us and ours!

Such childish tit for tat nonsense can't be tolerated as it is our duty, as a welcoming multi-cultural society, to turn the other cheek, allegedly! Well as, the lady herself once said - this lady isn't for turning!

I might as well talk to a wall.... Our original identity is long gone. Thank the Romans for that, but they gave us the tools to go on to become the country we are now. You act like multi culturism is going to doom us all when it's what made this country what it is. You can't group people together either, You're acting like every muslim in the world wants to take away your liberties when they don't it's just like with all cultures and religions in the world it's the worst of them that get the coverage. How much coverage of Christianity has there been lately on things such as the peadophile priests, Westboro Baptist church ETC?

People focus on the worst and forsake the vast majority of people that just want to live their lives. You're judging an entire group of people on a few of the worst that have been given coverage instead of looking at it from both sides. I can see and agree that Burkhas should be banned in more delicate places that need higher security, not because muslims are a threat to society but you can't cover your face up like that in some areas and not allow hoodies and other clothes that do the same thing. In other places though it should obviously be the person's choice what they want to wear and no one else's. Plenty of Muslims would agree with that but since they don't go with the image of what the media wants Islam to be, they're not heard.

As for us being welcome matt's and hyperbole like that, Our society and Identity is based on Intergration, we wouldn't be as prominent in the world if it wasn't for the help and resources from other countries and their culture and if you can't respect that then sorry you don't respect Britain's identity as multi culturism & intergration is a massive part of our culture and it always has been.

[Shasown]

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Shasown

You do know that you will now have a fatwa issued against you, don't you?!!

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by angus58

You do know that you will now have a fatwa issued against you, don't you?!!

A fatwa is simply a religious announcement most are fairly innocuous.

If you did mean I will have muslims out hunting me or attempting to kill me, its not the first time.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Shasown

A fatwa is simply a religious announcement most are fairly innocuous.

If you did mean I will have muslims out hunting me or attempting to kill me, its not the first time.

The death warrant fatwas are reserved for "infidels" - after all they're not renowned for their tolerance and sense of humour about such things, that's for sure.

[Angus]

I see from today's news that hard line muslims are forcing British born muslim girls to wear the burkha in faith schools - if this is not indoctrination and sexist subjugation I don't know what is. Why are we being complicit in allowing women to be browbeaten and brainwashed into submission by these medieval bullies? By NOT banning the burkha we are their partners in crime.

In the same news I see colleges are introducing state of the art face recognition technology to heighten security at colleges. How, pray tell, is that going to work with burkha wearing students???

Glad to see that a female muslim estate agent took her muslim boss to court because he insisted she wear a head scarf at work (his own wife and daughters are forced to wear burkhas). She won £13,567 payout for discrimination since he did not require this of non muslim workers. He also harrassed her by saying she had not been brought up properly and that she had been given "too much freedom" when she was growing up.

Seriously, why are we letting people with such sexist and medieval attitudes and beliefs about women continue to demean and subjugate women in ways that are unacceptable and actually illegal for the rest of us? Perhaps it is time for British women, of all races, to start lobbying parliament to challenge such reactionary, divisive and sexist practices, and the burkha is a good way to start since it will fulfil two important functions: A ban will promote women's rights, and will also enhance safety and security by removing the anonymity of this abhorrent garment.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by angus58

I see from today's news that hard line muslims are forcing British born muslim girls to wear the burkha in faith schools - if this is not indoctrination and sexist subjugation I don't know what is. Why are we being complicit in allowing women to be browbeaten and brainwashed into submission by these medieval bullies? By NOT banning the burkha we are their partners in crime.

In the same news I see colleges are introducing state of the art face recognition technology to heighten security at colleges. How, pray tell, is that going to work with burkha wearing students???

Glad to see that a female muslim estate agent took her muslim boss to court because he insisted she wear a head scarf at work (his own wife and daughters are forced to wear burkhas). She won £13,567 payout for discrimination since he did not require this of non muslim workers. He also harrassed her by saying she had not been brought up properly and that she had been given "too much freedom" when she was growing up.

Seriously, why are we letting people into this country with such sexist and medieval attitudes and beliefs about women and, worse still, allowing them to continue demeaning and subjugating women in ways that are unacceptable and actually illegal for the rest of us?

Took a look for that article and guess where I've found it - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...wear-veil.html

If the Daily Mail haven't lost all credibility yet, then I dont what they have to do to make it happen.

[dural]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Took a look for that article and guess where I've found it - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...wear-veil.html

If the Daily Mail haven't lost all credibility yet, then I dont what they have to do to make it happen.

It isn't just printed in the Daily Mail - hardly likely to have made it up are they.

http://www.educationnews.org/global/101031.html

http://news1.capitalbay.com/news/the...ols_where.html

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by dural

It isn't just printed in the Daily Mail - hardly likely to have made it up are they.

http://www.educationnews.org/global/101031.html

http://news1.capitalbay.com/news/the...ols_where.html

Those links are just the Daily Mail article again, just on a different site

Come back to me when you have a credible source to back it up