[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Mumbles

As I've pointed out, Deana's doing all this herself, without a group behind her backing her up. For that reason alone, this is not the same. Do you really think she should have turned the other cheek, forgiven and forgotten all they've done to her in there over the last few weeks? No way. People should stand up to bullies, if for no other reason than to show them how their actions make other people feel. Poor Lukey Wookey doesn't like it now he's on the receiving end of a bit of ribbing and getting called on his blatant lies? Well tough titties for him, perhaps in future he'll think about how his behaviour makes others feel and treat people better.

Standing up for yourself is fine. But she's taking things too far. No one deserves to be goaded and provoked like that.

[Mumbles]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Standing up for yourself is fine. But she's taking things too far. No one deserves to be goaded and provoked like that.

Hardly. She's not been openly nasty or abusive to Luke, she's just taken the mickey out of him and called him on his lies. While he's not the most deserving of Deana's wrath, he still deserves it. Taking things too far would be making violent threats, excluding him from things, getting together in groups to agree to nominate him every week, contantly picking at him over the silliest things, running and telling everyone else about every little indiscretion or disagreement she'd had with, him turning the rest of the house against him. Calling him Charlie and having a dig about him not being quick enough on the buzzer is very, very mild in comparison. He needs to man up and take it on the chin. He's getting off lightly.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Mumbles

Hardly. She's not been openly nasty or abusive to Luke, she's just taken the mickey out of him and called him on his lies. While he's not the most deserving of Deana's wrath, he still deserves it. Taking things too far would be making violent threats, excluding him from things, getting together in groups to agree to nominate him every week, contantly picking at him over the silliest things, running and telling everyone else about every little indiscretion or disagreement she'd had with, him turning the rest of the house against him. Calling him Charlie and having a dig about him not being quick enough on the buzzer is very, very mild in comparison. He needs to man up and take it on the chin. He's getting off lightly.

I think it's far to vindictive. I don't agree with it at all.

[Mumbles]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I think it's far to vindictive. I don't agree with it at all.

How did you feel about the way Deana was treated by the majority of the house, including Luke S?

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Mumbles

How did you feel about the way Deana was treated by the majority of the house, including Luke S?

It was bitching, not bullying. t's fine if Deana wants to get her own back. But there are limits. She almost crossed it last night.

[Marcus.]

the thing whith luke a did not like that but she been an good housemate

[PInternet]

[Mumbles]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

It was bitching, not bullying. t's fine if Deana wants to get her own back. But there are limits. She almost crossed it last night.

Hmm, interesting. You wouldn't say that what the group did to Deana was worse than what Deana's doing to Luke? One the one hand you have a group of people all against one, saying some really nasty things, treating her really badly, alienating her, turning others against her. And on the other hand you have one person calling another Charlie and taking the mick because he wasn't fast enough on the buzzer and then lied about the whole thing? Incomparible in my view, Deana's been treat far worse than she's giving out. The group, including Luke S, crossed the line a long time ago and I think it's heartening to see her get a bit of justice, show that bullies don't always win, that if you bide your time you'll get an opportunity to even the score just a little bit.

[sampvt]

I think a lot of people are confussing what she is doing with bullying becasue of the repetative nature of her attacks. I honestly believe that in her own mind, she thinks she is doing nothing wrong because men are there to be hated and he is being used as a tool for her to gain notoriety as a girl power campaigner by belittleing the big bad alpha male. By definition of law, she is bullying, but this is a game show and anything goes. Its just the deana haters and the PC mob that love this bully tag (me included, lol)

when the dust settles and she is booted, she will look back and realise (when she gets nothing) she needs to rethink her attitude to both men and life. There again, she might not and will end up joining the cheap wine and I will survive brigade before becoming a lesbian and blame BB for her demise.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by anniek76

But surely Deana would gain more respect by continuing to act the way she always has rather than turning like she has the minute the bigger characters have gone??

Exactly.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Mumbles

Hmm, interesting. You wouldn't say that what the group did to Deana was worse than what Deana's doing to Luke? One the one hand you have a group of people all against one, saying some really nasty things, treating her really badly, alienating her, turning others against her. And on the other hand you have one person calling another Charlie and taking the mick because he wasn't fast enough on the buzzer and then lied about the whole thing? Incomparible in my view, Deana's been treat far worse than she's giving out. The group, including Luke S, crossed the line a long time ago and I think it's heartening to see her get a bit of justice, show that bullies don't always win, that if you bide your time you'll get an opportunity to even the score just a little bit.

But by acting like them she has become one of them. Why stoop to their own level? It shows she's not a nice person at all.

[Ellen]

Originally Posted by Mumbles

Hmm, interesting. You wouldn't say that what the group did to Deana was worse than what Deana's doing to Luke? One the one hand you have a group of people all against one, saying some really nasty things, treating her really badly, alienating her, turning others against her. And on the other hand you have one person calling another Charlie and taking the mick because he wasn't fast enough on the buzzer and then lied about the whole thing? Incomparible in my view, Deana's been treat far worse than she's giving out. The group, including Luke S, crossed the line a long time ago and I think it's heartening to see her get a bit of justice, show that bullies don't always win, that if you bide your time you'll get an opportunity to even the score just a little bit.

Sorry but she has said nasty things about other HM's, she has tried to turn other HM's against one another, she has lied, she has bitched just like most of them have.
She didnt just say he wasnt fast enough or call him charlie the once has you seem to be portraying, she went on & on & on &on to the point where her soldiers tried to tell her to calm it down.
They thought she was going to far as well.

[EzzaB]

The poll says it all

[gold1975]

If Conor treated her the way she is treating Luke S (haha) you'd all be wanting him kicked out, shouting & screaming about bullying! What a bunch of hypocrites. She's a stuck up b#tch & your all suckers.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by EzzaB

The poll says it all

Indeed it does.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by EzzaB

The poll says it all

When it suits the polls say it all but when the polls say different, tehy are rubbish etc etc. I guess this selective reading is fun for some eh.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by gold1975

If Conor treated her the way she is treating Luke S (haha) you'd all be wanting him kicked out, shouting & screaming about bullying! What a bunch of hypocrites. She's a stuck up b#tch & your all suckers.

If Deana said she'd love to stick an epilator up Luke S arse and punch him in the face i'd be disgusted. But she didn't. So your point is moot.

[Ultra Violet]

Originally Posted by sampvt

When it suits the polls say it all but when the polls say different, tehy are rubbish etc etc. I guess this selective reading is fun for some eh.

Well, I guess that at this point the real fun lies in being able to say 'Wait and see, my friend ... wait and see ...'

All will be revealed ... and very soon ... it will be clear for all to see ...

[kefln]

Luke S is, least in his own head, an Alpha male. The guy could bench press nearly everyone left in the house.

But are we really to believe that a woman, over half his size, by herself, has destroyed his ego, in a couple of days? By pointing out that he DID press the button TOO LATE. And that he has a FREE pass to the final night?

Deana had to take on the majority of the house, single handly, and she did it with her head held high. She is now again, single handly, facing off with the so called Alpha male. And he’s the one crying.

This isn’t about bullying. Like everything in BB, its about a clash of ego’s and personalities. Luke S is used to being “the man”, he’s used to woman fawning over him. He’s admitted that his plan was to go into the house, hook up with someone and make it to the final. He’s achieved his goal and taken his top off more times than can be counted.

But at the back of the guys mind there has to be a few niggly doubts. He got neutral boo’s from the crowd, which would tell a HM that they aren’t liked, but no one really cares enough to make an effort. Compared to the other HMs that have been saved multiple times and compared to the cheers for Sara, I’d imagine that he knows he’s not going to win. Also he knows he's in an obvious showmance, they have both have admitted it. He knows that Conor *****ed him over, not that most would blame him – it was an easy 50 grand.

For the past couple of months Luke S has been surrounded by yes-men with the same goals and opinions. He's been safe. Now that bubble has been stripped away, there are only few days left and he’s finding Deana smilling at him and waving, someone not afraid to voice their opinion.

As for Deana, she has had a tough time in the house. The end is in sight and two of the “biggest” HM’s are gone and she’s finally free. This is not a girl who has buckled, but someone who has bounced.

How often, in other series, have we watch amateur dramatics in the DR, people crying about wanting to go home. But that has never been Deana. After weeks of people being nasty to her, she is standing up to the BIGGEST guy in the house. And not by being mean, just pointing out the truth.

There is a woman with real strength and intelligence.

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

It was bitching, not bullying. t's fine if Deana wants to get her own back. But there are limits. She almost crossed it last night.

What?!? How Deana was treated was just bitching, so that is ok?

Yet ribbing Luke S TO HIS FACE is bullying, wrong & WORSE than how Deana was teated?!? Err ok then...

[Mumbles]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

But by acting like them she has become one of them. Why stoop to their own level? It shows she's not a nice person at all.

Sometimes you have to stoop to other people's level to teach them a lesson, treat them as you've been treated so they understand the hurt they've caused. Yes, she could have risen above it all, forgiven and forgotten, but what good would that have done? Would Luke S change if she'd done that, would he have learnt that picking at people can be upsetting. And as I've pointed out a couple of times now, she's doing this on her own, not in a group like Luke S did to her. She's still a few levels above him in the moral stakes.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Mumbles

Sometimes you have to stoop to other people's level to teach them a lesson, treat them as you've been treated so they understand the hurt they've caused. Yes, she could have risen above it all, forgiven and forgotten, but what good would that have done? Would Luke S change if she'd done that, would he have learnt that picking at people can be upsetting. And as I've pointed out a couple of times now, she's doing this on her own, not in a group like Luke S did to her. She's still a few levels above him in the moral stakes.

Sorry, but i disagree. It's just as bad.

[Niamh.]

Deana keeping the final week of BB entertaining

[Mumbles]

Originally Posted by Ellen

Sorry but she has said nasty things about other HM's, she has tried to turn other HM's against one another, she has lied, she has bitched just like most of them have.
She didnt just say he wasnt fast enough or call him charlie the once has you seem to be portraying, she went on & on & on &on to the point where her soldiers tried to tell her to calm it down.
They thought she was going to far as well.

What Deana's done still doesn't come close to the treatment she's had at the hands of Luke S and his gang. If she called him Charlie constantly and made buzzing sounds till the final day of the show, it still wouldn't come close to how she's been treated by that lot over the last few weeks. The fact that her "soldiers" have not supported her in her actions shows that she's taking this all on herself rather than relying on a group to make others feel small and worthless like Luke S et al did.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Mumbles

Sometimes you have to stoop to other people's level to teach them a lesson, treat them as you've been treated so they understand the hurt they've caused. Yes, she could have risen above it all, forgiven and forgotten, but what good would that have done? Would Luke S change if she'd done that, would he have learnt that picking at people can be upsetting. And as I've pointed out a couple of times now, she's doing this on her own, not in a group like Luke S did to her. She's still a few levels above him in the moral stakes.

Unless I have missed something, I don't think for a minute that Deana is behaving the way she is to teach Luke S a lesson on how she was treated. If she was doing that she would have said so to Adam and Luke A when they have told her she is going over the top.

Deana has let her mask slip a little IMO and we are starting to see some true colours coming through when she is not feeling she has to measure and control all her actions.