[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by jaxie

No I'm saying its a little silly to put yourself in close proximity to someone who has had a lot to drink, particularly in a state of undress. That doesn't mean he should touch but really it was dumb and not too far fetched that someone who isn't thinking straight might get the wrong idea. And don't put words into my mouth.Thanks!

I think it was a stupid situation but the guy doesn't deserve the major overaction he is getting.

Its not as if she stripped off and got into the hot tub with him lol.

He was being sick crouched over a toilet (hardly the most erotic or boner enducing place) and she was in a frumpy dressing gown helping him.

duh.

[MojoNixon]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Well im sorry to say but it seems that pre feminism era you supposedly grew up in has spat you out as a walking talking hypocrite.

Seriously this post makes me depressed, to you girls should expect to be groped for wearing revealing clothes? How are you pro female? It seems to me your mind set is very much still in the 60's/70's and you're a victim of your time.

It seems that you are trying to insult her.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by MojoNixon

It seems that you are trying to insult her.

It seems you're trying to troll my posts.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Its not as if she stripped off and got into the hot tub with him lol.

He was being sick crouched over a toilet (hardly the most erotic or boner enducing place) and she was in a frumpy dressing gown helping him.

duh.

Exactly he was drunk and sick, so how bad could it have been? It was obviously a drunk making a pass. Duh. Why does everyone need to act like it was a major sexual assault?

[LukeB]

thought it was unfair Ken got to stay tbh

[MojoNixon]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

It seems you're trying to troll my posts.

No, you are hypocrite. Every time i say something to you, you do report me. But it's ok that you have right to insult everyone else, if they don't agree with you?

[rionablue]

Originally Posted by LukeB

thought it was unfair Ken got to stay tbh

I absolutely agree with you on that Luke. ken should have been out on his ****ing rear end when he made the first horrible sexual comment but he was kept in after making others and using an inappropriate word do describe people of colour. He was then given a warning at the end. it should have been three strikes and he was out and he did much more than three tonight!!!!!!!!!!!

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by MojoNixon

No, you are hypocrite. Every time i say something to you, you do report me. But it's ok that you have right to insult everyone else, if they don't agree with you?

What are you harping on about?

I haven't reported you. Why are you personally attacking me im confused.

If you have received an infraction or something go take that up with mods. Obviously you've made offensive posts resulting in you getting reprimanded but I have not reported any of them.

[Vicky.]

I don't blame Chloe for what happened at all. I do feel she overreacted though however thats probably because I have been in similar situations before and have just told the guy to **** off basically and thats that. I accept that everyones different though but I did think it was quite OTT.

I feel a lot of those vilifying Jeremy for being pissed and stupid are being silly though. He didn't grope the girl, he didn't even touch her. Yes it was inappropriate but to make out it was anything more than basically a drunken pass is making this whole thing more sinister than it needs to be really...

Also I feel the Daley/Hazel thing was a completely different ballgame an a hell of a lot more serious. And I dont think Hazel flirting or 'play acting' makes a difference to how we should view that situation to be honest :S

[MojoNixon]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

What are you harping on about?

I haven't reported you. Why are you personally attacking me im confused.

If you have received an infraction or something go take that up with mods. Obviously you've made offensive posts but I have not reported any of them.

Funny thing, maybe there is someone else then who does so....

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I don't blame Chloe for what happened at all. I do feel she overreacted though however thats probably because I have been in similar situations before and have just told the guy to **** off basically and thats that. I accept that everyones different though but I did think it was quite OTT.

I feel a lot of those vilifying Jeremy for being pissed and stupid are being silly though. He didn't grope the girl, he didn't even touch her. Yes it was inappropriate but to make out it was anything more than basically a drunken pass is making this whole thing more sinister than it needs to be really...

Also I feel the Daley/Hazel thing was a completely different ballgame an a hell of a lot more serious. And I dont think Hazel flirting or 'play acting' makes a difference to how we should view that situation to be honest :S

This

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I don't blame Chloe for what happened at all. I do feel she overreacted though however thats probably because I have been in similar situations before and have just told the guy to **** off basically and thats that. I accept that everyones different though but I did think it was quite OTT.

I feel a lot of those vilifying Jeremy for being pissed and stupid are being silly though. He didn't grope the girl, he didn't even touch her. Yes it was inappropriate but to make out it was anything more than basically a drunken pass is making this whole thing more sinister than it needs to be really...

Also I feel the Daley/Hazel thing was a completely different ballgame an a hell of a lot more serious. And I dont think Hazel flirting or 'play acting' makes a difference to how we should view that situation to be honest :S

We have no idea what happened there was no footage shows of the incident just the sound of her shock then walking out.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by MojoNixon

Funny thing, maybe there is someone else then who does so....

You've obviously offended someone whos reported you but that person is not me.

You haven't offended me and I don't care what you post so lets just forget your accusations shall we.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

We have no idea what happened there was no footage shows of the incident just the sound of her shock then walking out.

They both said he pulled the robe

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

We have no idea what happened there was no footage shows of the incident just the sound of her shock then walking out.

Well they both described the same thing so I assume thats what happened

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I don't blame Chloe for what happened at all. I do feel she overreacted though however thats probably because I have been in similar situations before and have just told the guy to **** off basically and thats that. I accept that everyones different though but I did think it was quite OTT.

I feel a lot of those vilifying Jeremy for being pissed and stupid are being silly though. He didn't grope the girl, he didn't even touch her. Yes it was inappropriate but to make out it was anything more than basically a drunken pass is making this whole thing more sinister than it needs to be really...

Also I feel the Daley/Hazel thing was a completely different ballgame an a hell of a lot more serious. And I dont think Hazel flirting or 'play acting' makes a difference to how we should view that situation to be honest :S

Well said!

[Rob!]

Tonight's show has been a conversation starter with a guy on grinder so to it.

[Mystic Mock]

One question that I would like to ask you Rionablue, what was the difference between what Jeremy did to what Denise did to one of the Shannon Twins? It's reverse sexism as nobody was calling for Denise to be removed and in fact voted for her to win.

[Ammi]

..I recall many people feeling the same with what Denise did, Mock...but it was BB's decision to keep her in and yeah, she went on to win/unbelievable..it almost makes you think that BB can favour housemates, that couldn't be possible could it.....

..just another side thing on that comparison though...I wonder where the sympathies or understanding would have been if a housemate had done to Denise what Jeremy did with Chloe after she had gone topless in the pool..because she had chosen to reveal her body so therefore would share some responsibility...because isn't that what is often thought with young attractive females in the house....hmmmm....I personally think the reaction would have been something along the lines of....'how dare he/she presume to do that with Denise...she's an older lady/a mother/disgusting..get them out immediately...'....

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by jaxie

No I'm saying its a little silly to put yourself in close proximity to someone who has had a lot to drink, particularly in a state of undress. That doesn't mean he should touch but really it was dumb and not too far fetched that someone who isn't thinking straight might get the wrong idea. And don't put words into my mouth.Thanks!

I think it was a stupid situation but the guy doesn't deserve the major overaction he is getting. How have we gone from touching her robe to sexual assault?

Why was it a little silly to be a good housemate and friend and check up on someone who's clearly had too much to drink and is sick? Being in a robe is hardly a state of undress and there's nothing dumb about it. It's gone from grabbing at her robe to sexual assault because posts and ideas like this perpetuate slut-shaming, victim-blaming rape culture at its finest.

Originally Posted by jaxie

Exactly he was drunk and sick, so how bad could it have been? It was obviously a drunk making a pass. Duh. Why does everyone need to act like it was a major sexual assault?

Bad enough for her to feel embarrassed and vulnerable and unsafe when she shouldn't need to feel that way for doing the right thing and checking on a friend. A fake house in a TV studio where everything is filmed is supposed to be a safe place.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by jaxie

No I'm saying its a little silly to put yourself in close proximity to someone who has had a lot to drink, particularly in a state of undress. That doesn't mean he should touch but really it was dumb and not too far fetched that someone who isn't thinking straight might get the wrong idea. And don't put words into my mouth.Thanks!

I think it was a stupid situation but the guy doesn't deserve the major overaction he is getting. How have we gone from touching her robe to sexual assault?

...to help someone when they were drunk to the point of being ill is not a time when you would naturally feel vulnerable though and she was very much dressed in a robe because the robe covered her body and her body was meant to stay covered unless she decided otherwise...if he can misread situations to such an extent that he did because of alcohol and for sure more alcohol will be available in the house ..then it's right that he should be removed from the house...

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

I am quite a bit older than some, a female who grew up in the pre feminism era.

What gets me today is that although girls in the BB house are happy to let the world see their bits and pieces, they see quite unable to cope with or reject any advances without acting like some damsel in distress.

Is it that I learnt the hard way to tell blokes to keep their hands to themselves or else without the histrionics we saw tonight. Yes, it was in appropriate, but the man was drunk, vomiting and by the look of what he was smoking, quite high.

It seemed to be a drunken fumble and a sharp elbow or knee in his groin area would have left him far more reticent to try again than some tears, hand waving and hysteria.

On the other hand she is up for eviction, the sympathy vote would be useful for her but with Kens behaviour, I think she is safe enough.

..that's it though..they are happy to show their bodies/their choice which is completely different from him pulling her robe open...and if she had kneed or elbowed him in the groin then that would have been assault...

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by xPinkpegasusx

I don't think Chloe is to blame for anything. She was just trying to help him out. When he started saying some odd depressing stuff about how the only time he 'felt alive' was the feeling between being sick and getting better, that it was the only 'real' feeling he had, Chloe was just being nice by trying to tell him that she had seen better sides to him in the house and to make him feel better about himself.

Due to perhaps a mixture off too much alcohol, the close physical proximity between the two of them, and perhaps also a fragile mental state, Jeremy seems to have completely misread Chloe's attempt of kindness as a come on of some sort and made a move on her.
He didn't grope her boob, he pulled aside her robe thinking she had bikini on underneath, maybe he was going to move in for a kiss too before Chloe stood up and said she was not comfortable with that.

Jeremy was wrong to get too drunk if it has this affect - you have to take responsibility for your own alcohol limits and your behaviour. He was also wrong to pull apart the robe without asking permission even if he was about to try and make a move as in kiss her. I can understand why he was removed as Chloe was understandably very upset about the situation and it might have been very hard to rectify the situation.

I think he made a very very silly mistake because of misreading the situation, but I wouldn't class him as an abusive sex offender.

However even if it was a stupid mistake on Jeremy's part, it doesn't mean Chloe has no right to get very upset and cry about it. It's easy as a viewer to say she's overreacting but she said herself a lot of it was "just the shock", she's very young and this obviously scared her and give her a nasty shock as she was reading the situation completely different to Jeremy so it came out of nowhere to her.

I'm not even really a fan or anything of Chloe but I don't think she's to blame in this situation.
I also don't think Jeremy is as bad as is being made out but can understand why he was removed.

Ken is a much more aggressive and rude person than Jeremy imo.

..yeah, I fairly much agree with the bolded bit, he's just someone who is in a very bad place and I question that he should have ever been allowed in the house which is fairly much what Perez said from the beginning but it doesn't change what he did or how vulnerable and upset that made Chloe feel..I do think that removing him was the only thing they could do and I hope that he gets some help to get to a much better place...

...great to see you Pinkpegasus....I always love reading your thoughts...

[JayBlaze]

Chloe is a slut but even sluts get to choose who they let touch their tits

[Mick]

In this country we seldom achieve or maintain the blessed happy medium and imo political correctness is a good example.Needed at first but now well OTT.However having only just watched the episode I find that I agree completely with the points made in the OP.

What I try to do is self case things if Chloe was my daughter I would have been over the wall and walloped that bloke.If Ken was my Dad I would have felt ashamed.Both should have gone imo.

The third HM who earned no credit from the episode was Perez as imo he attempted to use the negative behaviours of both of the above two in what he perceived to be an advantageous way RE the voting publics perception of him.He thinks he has the whole game sussed I think/hope otherwise.